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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #1
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Gun Confiscation at our Doorstep

As the Canadians are wrestling with the elimination of firearms registration, there appears to be a last ditched effort to confiscate guns that the government has recently reclassified as prohibited weapons.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/12...r-rifle-owners

Are we next?


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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #2
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Are we next?
Big difference between Canada and the USA.

It's called the Second Amendment (we have it, they don't).
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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:21 AM   #3
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Gun registration/licensing is exactly what makes confiscation possible.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #4
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Big difference between Canada and the USA.

It's called the Second Amendment (we have it, they don't).
It's just a line on a piece of paper written by dead whitemen that deals with muskets for the National Guard it has no relevance in today's world.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #5
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Big difference between Canada and the USA.

It's called the Second Amendment (we have it, they don't).
That hasn't stopped our federal government from declaring entire classes of weapons illegal in the past, forbidding their manufacture, and creating such onerous restrictions on ownership of existing arms, that they've become virtually impossible to own. And it hasn't stopped various state and city jurisdictions from prohibiting them, outright, and making it a crime to even possess one.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #6
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It's just a line on a piece of paper written by dead whitemen that deals with muskets for the National Guard it has no relevance in today's world.
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That hasn't stopped our federal government from declaring entire classes of weapons illegal in the past, forbidding their manufacture, and creating such onerous restrictions on ownership of existing arms, that they've become virtually impossible to own. And it hasn't stopped various state and city jurisdictions from prohibiting them, outright, and making it a crime to even possess one.
The SCOTUS deemed RKBA as an indivual right in Heller. No Confiscations are in the foreseeable future.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:38 AM   #7
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but allowed restrictions

canada isn't losing all its guns only the ones deemed prohibited.

by the current ruling as long as we are allowed to have some guns they can prohibit a lot of them and then confiscate them.


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That hasn't stopped our federal government from declaring entire classes of weapons illegal in the past, forbidding their manufacture, and creating such onerous restrictions on ownership of existing arms, that they've become virtually impossible to own. And it hasn't stopped various state and city jurisdictions from prohibiting them, outright, and making it a crime to even possess one.
That was one of the fears I had living in New York state. If I buy a particular gun and 6 months down the road it becomes illegal, I would have to either have to turn it in, sell it to someone out of state or it becomes a permanent safe queen never mentioning it or showing it to anyone.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:41 AM   #9
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but allowed restrictions

canada isn't losing all its guns only the ones deemed prohibited.

by the current ruling as long as we are allowed to have some guns they can prohibit a lot of them and then confiscate them.
It started that way in England. First it was handguns, then all semi-automatic firearms, and finally it was all firearms.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #10
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Canada is a joke of a country. I don't want to even get started on it. Each province of Canada does more trade with the US State to its south than the rest of the 'country'.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 09:52 AM   #11
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Canada is a joke of a country. I don't want to even get started on it. Each province of Canada does more trade with the US State to its south than the rest of the 'country'.
We should annex them and demolish most of their cities. Turn it into a MASSIVE wildlife preserve. That much more hunting land for us.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #12
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We should annex them and demolish most of their cities. Turn it into a MASSIVE wildlife preserve. That much more hunting land for us.
Sounds reasonable to me.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #13
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It started that way in England. First it was handguns, then all semi-automatic firearms, and finally it was all firearms.
Yep. Anyone just taking a simple cursory look at past and current laws can see many examples of freedoms being slowly removed from the citizenry.

The real goal here is to make these laws on a federal level, so the citizenry cannot escape there power by moving to another state.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #14
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Old January 20th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #15
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The SCOTUS deemed RKBA as an indivual right in Heller. No Confiscations are in the foreseeable future.
Until one of 5 people has a heart attack or a car accident. I recall some of the smart people on our side saying that Sotomayor and Kagan didn't make a difference getting appointed, which is CATASTROPHICALLY short sighted to say the least. We need at least 6-3 if not 7-2 as insurance against something going wrong.

This election scares me and quite frankly I'm disgusted at being scared. I shouldn't have to fear government or elections. I shouldn't have to be afraid that this generation is the generation which Reagan said is the only distance between freedom becoming extinct. I don't have time for this crap, quite honestly, I just want to get on with improving my life by pursuing making more money and family stuff--but I can't just ignore this because too many people already have so the burden is on me. They get to slack off and not care and be casual gun owners ("Fudds", etc.) and they don't care whether I lose being able to buy the guns I want. I have to pile on the credit cards to buy now what I might not be able to in 5-10 years when I have more money because of those ***holes, and quite frankly it makes me very angry. I have to shell out $$$ for instructor training because they're not out doing it in sufficient numbers or we wouldn't be having this problem.

Is anyone other than me having this problem? I understand that freedom costs something, but the more the loss of freedom sucks the more the 2nd worse option, having to labor and spend to maintain it, increases in level of suckage along with it.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #16
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The comments in that article are horrifying. Specifically the ones who had their guns confiscated. Wow.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #17
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The comments in that article are horrifying. Specifically the ones who had their guns confiscated. Wow.
Glad to know that I am not the only one that noticed that.


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Old January 20th, 2012, 01:07 PM   #18
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"To all those trusting fools who registered their long guns....told you so! Real Canadians hide 'em!"
And so would real Americans, no doubt about it.
History teaches that we must NEVER cooperate with gun registration or licensing.
All it's for is to make confiscation possible.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #19
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Until one of 5 people has a heart attack or a car accident. I recall some of the smart people on our side saying that Sotomayor and Kagan didn't make a difference getting appointed, which is CATASTROPHICALLY short sighted to say the least. We need at least 6-3 if not 7-2 as insurance against something going wrong.

This election scares me and quite frankly I'm disgusted at being scared. I shouldn't have to fear government or elections. I shouldn't have to be afraid that this generation is the generation which Reagan said is the only distance between freedom becoming extinct. I don't have time for this crap, quite honestly, I just want to get on with improving my life by pursuing making more money and family stuff--but I can't just ignore this because too many people already have so the burden is on me. They get to slack off and not care and be casual gun owners ("Fudds", etc.) and they don't care whether I lose being able to buy the guns I want. I have to pile on the credit cards to buy now what I might not be able to in 5-10 years when I have more money because of those ***holes, and quite frankly it makes me very angry. I have to shell out $$$ for instructor training because they're not out doing it in sufficient numbers or we wouldn't be having this problem.

Is anyone other than me having this problem? I understand that freedom costs something, but the more the loss of freedom sucks the more the 2nd worse option, having to labor and spend to maintain it, increases in level of suckage along with it.
If the current administration can thumb its nose at the constitution, it will only get worse if they can back it up with a couple more supreme court justices, it will only get worse. What is there to do?
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall. At some point, people will either stand up for each other or give way. I hope they knock on my neighbors door 1st.


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