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Old January 20th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #41
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The good folks at "The Gun Rack" told me to put 'personal collector' or something like that in the reason block, I forget now, sorry.

Call them they are very friendly, had the forms printed out there and encouraged me to do it many months ago. I just wasn't sure about having my name in the database, but after reading here, I guess I'm already in it for buying an AR lower.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #42
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This 'Designated Collector" for Maryland, is that the same as a C&R?

What does that get me? Other than buying more than one regulated firearm at a time. Still have waiting period right?

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No - C&R is a 03 FFL - Federal.

Designated Collector = state recognition of a special status.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:34 PM   #43
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The good folks at "The Gun Rack" told me to put 'personal collector' or something like that in the reason block, I forget now, sorry.

Call them they are very friendly, had the forms printed out there and encouraged me to do it many months ago. I just wasn't sure about having my name in the database, but after reading here, I guess I'm already in it for buying an AR lower.
I always put the same thing:

All Lawful Purposes

On any and all forms related to firearms.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:36 PM   #44
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The good folks at "The Gun Rack" told me to put 'personal collector' or something like that in the reason block, I forget now, sorry.

Call them they are very friendly, had the forms printed out there and encouraged me to do it many months ago. I just wasn't sure about having my name in the database, but after reading here, I guess I'm already in it for buying an AR lower.
Big deal - I'm on a list. Just because I am doesn't mean a thing to me. If there is a list - wear your membership as a badge of Honor.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #45
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I told them "Lawful collecting of modern firearms."
I'd leave out the "modern" part.

All Lawful Purposes covers everything.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 11:33 PM   #46
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Old January 20th, 2010, 11:34 PM   #47
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Old January 21st, 2010, 01:41 PM   #48
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Old January 21st, 2010, 05:26 PM   #49
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mailed mine in today had it notarized for free at M&T bank where I have an account
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Old January 29th, 2010, 08:48 AM   #50
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Mailed mine last week (Jan 21 or 22). Anyone know how long it takes to get approved? Will I get a card or something to present to gun stores?

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Old January 29th, 2010, 10:40 AM   #51
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Old January 29th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #52
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Mailed mine last week (Jan 21 or 22). Anyone know how long it takes to get approved? Will I get a card or something to present to gun stores?

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I don't remember, but it wasn't long - less than 2 months IIRC.

No card or anything - just a letter. You are under no obligation to show anything to an FFL - of course some of them won't do a multiple transaction without proof of DC status.

Make a copy, have it shrunk and laminate it at Office Depot if you really need to have a copy.

I have mine filed away and have never taken it out of its file folder.
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Old January 30th, 2010, 07:50 AM   #53
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The good folks at "The Gun Rack" told me to put 'personal collector' or something like that in the reason block, I forget now, sorry.

Call them they are very friendly, had the forms printed out there and encouraged me to do it many months ago. I just wasn't sure about having my name in the database, but after reading here, I guess I'm already in it for buying an AR lower.

Hi Minuteman,

That's what my father-in-law told me when I tried to get him to do it with me. He thinks he is hiding in some way by not having his names on a given list.

I told him if you own just one gun that's registered to you that's all of the info they need if they ever wanted to talk to you about your guns.

Even if you own 20 hand guns and none of them are registered to you, they will find you quickly through the people you bought your guns from when the MSP talk to them as the last persons in the data base as owner on record of owning their guns. They will point their fingers right our way.

So unless you think your going to turn to a life of crime anytime soon, jump in with both feet and join the collectors list to get your buying power back.


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Old January 30th, 2010, 07:59 AM   #54
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I don't remember, but it wasn't long - less than 2 months IIRC.

No card or anything - just a letter. You are under no obligation to show anything to an FFL - of course some of them won't do a multiple transaction without proof of DC status.

Make a copy, have it shrunk and laminate it at Office Depot if you really need to have a copy.

I have mine filed away and have never taken it out of its file folder.

Your most likely right. When it comes to FFL's who knows what rules they will make up and try to pass them off as official procedure.

But even with the gun rush many of the FFL's have seen, none of them are getting rich because for most of them there is not allot of profit with each sale. Unless you deal with the hand full of the Maryland FFL's who like to sell at 10% over the MSRP. But even some of them have to charge that much because the distributors charge them close to MSRP because they don't move enough guns each year, so they have higher prices.

What I'm getting at is, if you walk into a FFL's today to buy 5 hand guns and told them your on the collectors list, I be willing to bet they will believe you and will not turn you away if you did not have anything to show them They NEED the money.


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Old January 30th, 2010, 08:00 AM   #55
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Old January 30th, 2010, 08:04 AM   #56
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Mailed mine last week (Jan 21 or 22). Anyone know how long it takes to get approved? Will I get a card or something to present to gun stores?

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Hi Dave,

They are way backed up. Give it 3 weeks and then call. The Trooper working the app's right now is a nice guy and will try to get your mane in the DATA base while your on the phone. As soon as your in the DATA base, you a collector. That's what he did for me and he told me that if I did have any problem with a dealer just to have them call the MSP.


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Old January 30th, 2010, 08:08 AM   #57
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Had no idea ATF was notified. Where did you get that information?

I had read that as well in a fed law. I say so what. if your not breaking the law why should anyone care. It's not like if this was not a requirement, the ATF can't find out who owns what with just one phone call to the MSP.


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Old January 30th, 2010, 09:23 AM   #58
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Hi Dave,

They are way backed up. Give it 3 weeks and then call. The Trooper working the app's right now is a nice guy and will try to get your mane in the DATA base while your on the phone. As soon as your in the DATA base, you a collector. That's what he did for me and he told me that if I did have any problem with a dealer just to have them call the MSP.
Cool thanks. I scan all my forms into my computer so I can print them out any time I want. No worries making an extra copy while original stays in the safe.

Do you happen to have the troopers number and name?

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Old January 30th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #59
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It's probably going to take a lot longer than 3 weeks. I sent mine in August, got my letter in January. They are waaaay backed up. His name is Cpl. Cusimano and you can reach him through the main MSP Pikesville number. When they answer just ask for him by name. He can get you in the computer quick but you'll be waiting for that letter.
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Old January 30th, 2010, 12:50 PM   #60
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I had read that as well in a fed law. I say so what. if your not breaking the law why should anyone care. It's not like if this was not a requirement, the ATF can't find out who owns what with just one phone call to the MSP.
Great - what law - statute and citation?
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