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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:28 PM   #1
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Hathcock attempt at Oswald shot?

I heard Jesse Ventura promoting his Kennedy Conspiracy book the other day.
One thing got my attention, he stated Carlos Hathcock had tried to replicate the Oswald shot at JFK multiple times using a closely matched Carcano and could not repeat the accuracy in the time estimated by the government.
Has anyone else ever heard of this? I know Mr. Hathcock died in 1999, but couldn't find any reference to this "attempt". I just find this hard to believe.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #2
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Bullsheet.

Oswald's shots have been replicated many times by many shooters.

I never heard of Hathcock doing it: I doubt he tried. But plenty of others have done it. It's really not that difficult.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #3
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Bullsheet.

Oswald's shots have been replicated many times by many shooters.

I never heard of Hathcock doing it: I doubt he tried. But plenty of others have done it. It's really not that difficult.
^This, on all points.

I'd find it hard to believe that IF Mr. Hathcock ever HAD attempted to recreate the shots, that he would've had any great degree of difficulty doing so.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #4
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Jesse Ventura should be glad that Chris Kyle is no longer around to recreate that punch in the mouth.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #5
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I've been trying to find it on youtube, but haven't been able. One of the history or discovery channel affiliates recreated it years and years ago with one rifle.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #6
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I don't doubt the ability to put rounds on target

I think whats always been questionable/suspicious is the "possibility" that a single shooter from the location Oswald shot from was able to make a couple bullets make so many right angle turns to cause all of the wounds it did

As I recall the ballistics support more than one shooter from more than one location.

But what do I know......


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Old October 6th, 2013, 01:05 PM   #7
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When a bullet hits a target it deflects. At the end of effective range the bullet slows due to friction and this effect is exaggerated. Look up 5.56 ballistic tests in gelatin. The bullet tumbles causing massive damage. Or you could I dunno test it yourself hunting.


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When a bullet hits a target it deflects. At the end of effective range the bullet slows due to friction and this effect is exaggerated. Look up 5.56 ballistic tests in gelatin. The bullet tumbles causing massive damage. Or you could I dunno test it yourself hunting.
Ok, but we're not talking about a 55gr 5.56 projectile traveling at a relatively high speed

We're taking about a 6.5x52 round with ~160gr mass that has ballistics that are pretty close to a 30-06

Its really an apples and peas discussion.

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The cartridge was known to have inflicted many “through and through” wounds, just leaving a small wound channel. The bullet typically would not tumble inside its’ target unless it encountered something hard such as bone. When it did tumble the wounding effect is well known.


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Buy some tracer rounds (if there are any) and shoot at plate steel.
Or look at a car accident sometime. Two high mass objects, two relatively slow moving objects. And how often are they "glued" together after the accident?


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Mythbusters did it a couple years ago and the results were surprising.


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I do not know this Hatchcock character but if Hickok45 cant replicate it I'm all in on the conspiracy theory.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #12
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I do not know this Hatchcock character but if Hickok45 cant replicate it I'm all in on the conspiracy theory.
No offense to Hickok45, he is a great shot in his own right.

But Gunny Hathcock is a legend, and for good reason. Insanely talented sniper and tracker.

Some light reading for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock
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I do not know this Hatchcock character but if Hickok45 cant replicate it I'm all in on the conspiracy theory.
Please, read up on Mr. Carlos Hathcock, aka "Whitefeather". Not only was he a brave and honorable serviceman to our country, he was arguably the best long range rifleman ever known. He was certainly not a "Character".

With that said, I have seen internet references to the attempts at replicating the shots. I believe the result was that the shot could not have been done on that rifle in the limited time frame...kinda supporting the multiple shooter theory. I would just like to find a viable reference to Whitefeather's attempt at this.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:48 PM   #14
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IT WAS A JOKE....my lord folks.

Hickok45 is a recreational shooter and I'm sure would be the first to tell you is not on par with military snipers.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:57 PM   #15
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Being a Marine Infantry rifleman, Gunny Hathcock is a Legend, I have read numerous books on him and I have never heard of him doing this attempt. Especially after his last tour in Vietnam.
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Found this...so he did attempt a recreation...dunno if theres video of it...

http://oswald-not-guilty.blogspot.co...iper-says.html

PS: found this info on the internet so it has to be true..


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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #17
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IT WAS A JOKE....my lord folks.

Hickok45 is a recreational shooter and I'm sure would be the first to tell you is not on par with military snipers.
When I saw your post my second thought was "uh-oh he forgot the smiley".

If anyone is interested the book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" by Vincent Bugliosi is a really good read and debunks the popular conspiracy theories. He was the prosecutor of Charles Manson.


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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #18
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Bullsheet.

Oswald's shots have been replicated many times by many shooters.

I never heard of Hathcock doing it: I doubt he tried. But plenty of others have done it. It's really not that difficult.
Exactly including long time ago Towson gunshop owner Howard Donohue (sp?) with an article in the Baltimore Sun Papers (in the 70's).

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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #19
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Exactly including long time ago Towson gunshop owner Howard Donohue (sp?) with an article in the Baltimore Sun Papers (in the 70's).

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I remember the article and meeting Mr. Donohue in his shop.

I believe Oswald fired all the shots, Did he have help other wise? Don't know.
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Please, read up on Mr. Carlos Hathcock, aka "Whitefeather". Not only was he a brave and honorable serviceman to our country, he was arguably the best long range rifleman ever known. He was certainly not a "Character".

With that said, I have seen internet references to the attempts at replicating the shots. I believe the result was that the shot could not have been done on that rifle in the limited time frame...kinda supporting the multiple shooter theory. I would just like to find a viable reference to Whitefeather's attempt at this.
The only people who say it could not have been done and was not done since then are basically deniers. The key item was Oswald himself. He was wrong eye dominate. In the case of the Carcano it meant his head was over the stock out of the way of the bolt, so he could operate the bolt rapidly without taking his trigger finger off the trigger and his eye off the scope. As a result a correct test even by the NRA has shown that such a person could easily get at least 3 aimed shots off in the time frame. As an ex-Marine who was shown he did practice on occasion he may well have been good enough. Whether he actually did do it will likely remain a question of history.


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