Ccw permits new momo.

rickyp · Sep 18, 2015

Can anyone confirm or deny they msp has a new memmo out out that list government workers and first responders along with a hand full of other as assumed risk professions and will be granted ccw permit if applied for.

esqappellate · Sep 18, 2015

rickyp said:
Can anyone confirm or deny they msp has a new memmo out out that list government workers and first responders along with a hand full of other as assumed risk professions and will be granted ccw permit if applied for.

Source of information? This would be big news if true.

boatbod · Sep 18, 2015

First responders?
Hmmm, I can see a few problems with a firefighter running into a burning building with his CCW tucked into his bunker pants.... :innocent0

I'd also guess that most Maryland career departments (EMS or Fire) would most definitely not want their members armed while on duty.

Much as I'd like to be able to carry in MD, I can't really see this being a legit reason for non-LEO first responders.

swinokur · Sep 18, 2015

I know the HPRB allowed the issuance of a permit to an NSA employee but I have not heard of a memo.

rickyp · Sep 18, 2015

http://www.fortresstraining.com/mspupdate.html

rambling_one · Sep 18, 2015

When under attack YOU are always the first responder!

ELCAM · Sep 18, 2015

rickyp said:
http://www.fortresstraining.com/mspupdate.html

Anybody have anything more official than this?

rickyp · Sep 18, 2015

On their Facebook page someone posted a link to a memo that looks official but I have no way of knowing for sure
That is why I am asking here

wizzer368 · Sep 18, 2015

It would be great for days off not really practical on duty

NateIU10 · Sep 18, 2015

rickyp said:
On their Facebook page someone posted a link to a memo that looks official but I have no way of knowing for sure
That is why I am asking here

Post the link?

rickyp · Sep 18, 2015

I have tried and can't. The one I posted was best I could get

ELCAM · Sep 18, 2015

NateIU10 said:
Post the link?

I have an application and had my interview a few weeks ago.

The basis of my app is that I'm a fighter pilot, the OPM data breech, and ISIS threats towards the military.

so seeing this would make my case look promising.

esqappellate · Sep 18, 2015

Old news. Here is the SOP that became effective 9/1 previously posted in other threads here

"ASSUMED RISK POSITION: a position of government/public safety/criminal justice employment where, by
virtue of the positions duties and responsibilities, the employee voluntarily and knowingly assumes the
risks that those duties will either place their lives in imminent danger and/or subject them to be targeted
by individuals or entities seeking to do them harm as a result of performing those duties or
responsibilities."

ELCAM · Sep 18, 2015

esqappellate said:
Old news. Here is the SOP that became effective 9/1

"ASSUMED RISK POSITION: a position of government/public safety/criminal justice employment where, by
virtue of the positions duties and responsibilities, the employee voluntarily and knowingly assumes the
risks that those duties will either place their lives in imminent danger and/or subject them to be targeted
by individuals or entities seeking to do them harm as a result of performing those duties or
responsibilities."

I've seen that too...the only definition in there that can be stretched is the assumed risk definition...perhaps they are being liberal on that.

esqappellate · Sep 18, 2015

ELCAM said:
I've seen that too...the only definition in there that can be stretched is the assumed risk definition...perhaps they are being liberal on that.

I know first hand that as of 8/18 that the MSP was considering how to handle the threat to military personnel after the Tenn. attack. I had a one on one with First Sgt Casey on that topic (Deputy Commander of the Lic. Div). The 9/1 SOP may well be the answer. How they apply it will be the key. Do you have a permit application filed with them? If so, could you please let me know its status and what happens? A PM will be fine. Thanks.

ELCAM · Sep 18, 2015

esqappellate said:
I know first hand that as of 8/18 that the MSP was considering how to handle the threat to military personnel after the Tenn. attack. I had a one on one with First Sgt Casey on that topic (Deputy Commander of the Lic. Div). The 9/1 SOP may well be the answer. How they apply it will be the key. Do you have a permit application filed with them? If so, could you please let me know its status and what happens? A PM will be fine. Thanks.

No prob...yes my case completion date is 10/7....so I'll know in a couple of weeks.

rickyp · Sep 18, 2015

I am really thinking about applying now.
I fit into the category
1: I am a fire fighter
2: I work for federal government.

Stoveman · Sep 18, 2015

NateIU10 said:
Post the link?

Capt. Jack posted the link to the previously mentioned SOP memo in the comments section on FB.

swinokur · Sep 18, 2015

MSP emailed the SOP memo out today to people on their mailing list.

gre24ene · Sep 18, 2015

I hope that this is really a way for Firefighters to get their CCW. Obviously, we wouldn't be able to carry on duty. Over the years I have had several people recognize me from work while out and about. Thankfully I haven't had anyone approach me aggressively because they may have perceived something my crew did/didn't do that they didn't like.

When I got my DC permit Sgt. Hall showed me a handwritten note in my file that specifically said that "I can not carry while at work".

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