C & R renewal

DoormanTNT · Dec 12, 2015

Just got a letter stating c & r was up for renewal (which it is). in march.

Is it common practice to photo copy renewal app and send off to CLEO?

Tin foil may be little tight, but app is askin for number of guns bought and sold with lisc also. Is this form the "norm" for renewal?

Thanks.in advance.

TNT

Bob A · Dec 13, 2015

Got mine too; I don't recall that sort of thing on the previous renewal.

Maybe it's time to lapse and start over.

zoostation · Dec 13, 2015

The bought and sold thing has been a question on the renewal form for many years.

DoormanTNT · Dec 13, 2015

Ok, thanks.

This is my first renewal. Not familiar with this application form they mailed me.

BeoBill · Dec 13, 2015

So do they care? Are the numbers at all important?

Johnthetoolguy · Dec 13, 2015

I got my paperwork in the mail for my second renewal yesterday.
I have yet to use it for anything. They renewed it last time with out a problem. Guess they will do it again.

mac1_131 · Dec 13, 2015

DoormanTNT said:
Just got a letter stating c & r was up for renewal (which it is). in march.

Is it common practice to photo copy renewal app and send off to CLEO?

Tin foil may be little tight, but app is askin for number of guns bought and sold with lisc also. Is this form the "norm" for renewal?

Thanks.in advance.

TNT

Both requirements are normal and routine.

I suspect they are looking for unusually large numbers of guns sold. If you say you bought 300 and sold 290 you might get an audit based on you might be doing it as a business. Just a guess on my part though.

With normal amounts there I wouldn't worry about it.

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somd_mustangs · Dec 13, 2015

What's "normal" ?

6pack · Dec 14, 2015

I got my renewal last month, same question, same :tinfoil:

crowleycr · Dec 18, 2015

renewal form directions

Don't forget to download the compliance form that goes along with it.

somd_mustangs · Dec 18, 2015

That link is for the initial application, not the renewal (they send a hard copy form which is much different for the renewal).

The compliance form is only for each additional "Responsible Person" on the license (I think that's moot for C&R applications even though there are fields for adding RP's).
"If you're the only person on the license then you don't need to submit the 5330.20 form."

"Responsible Persons - In the case of a corporation, partnership, or association, any individual possessing, directly or indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the management, policies, and practices of the corporation, partnership, or association, insofar as they pertain to firearms."

crowleycr · Dec 19, 2015

somd_mustangs said:
That link is for the initial application, not the renewal (they send a hard copy form which is much different for the renewal).

The compliance form is only for each additional "Responsible Person" on the license (I think that's moot for C&R applications even though there are fields for adding RP's).
"If you're the only person on the license then you don't need to submit the 5330.20 form."

"Responsible Persons - In the case of a corporation, partnership, or association, any individual possessing, directly or indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the management, policies, and practices of the corporation, partnership, or association, insofar as they pertain to firearms."

Sorry my bad, you need to use the great resources link buried in the page where you will find directions for the renewal form.

from there I found this paragraph:
"You must complete the [ATF F 5330.20 — Certification of Compliance] form when submitting your renewal application. This must be done even if you sent one in with your initial application. If this form is not included with your renewal application it will be returned to you. This form is used to determine your citizenship and eligibility and it should be included with your renewal package."

The page also says certificate of compliance is only required for additional responsible persons on the initial application.

The renewal paperwork I received also cited the certification of compliance. I wondered what that meant as its been three years since I made my initial application. I will go back and re-read the directions that came with my renewal. Very glad I found this web site.

somd_mustangs · Dec 19, 2015

I didn't send the "compliance form", everything on it is covered by the renewal and the original app. and renewed license came back lickety-split.
I think that's only if you're one of the other type's of FFL's and have multiple Responsible Persons.
Note that the renewal form is a "one size fits all" covering multiple FFL types, not just FFL-03, so some fields aren't applicable.

crowleycr · Dec 19, 2015

Thanks. I rolled it in. They can toss it I guess.

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somd_mustangs · Dec 19, 2015

Can't hurt (in theory!)...

Johnthetoolguy · Jan 30, 2016

Johnthetoolguy said:
I got my paperwork in the mail for my second renewal yesterday.
I have yet to use it for anything. They renewed it last time with out a problem. Guess they will do it again.

I mailed my renewal application on Dec 26 and got the new licence today. That's fast.
My old one does not expire until March.

crowleycr · Jan 30, 2016

Must be a blizzard of these going out. I sent mine in on the 18th of December and it arrived today. Also renews in March.

UpperMarlboroMan · Jan 30, 2016

Same here. Had a March renewal date but got forms returned in December and the new license just three weeks later. I was shocked at the rapid turn around.

KH195 · Jan 31, 2016

Going to throw another renewal question in here so as not to start another thread...searched but couldn't find anything on this. Just got my renewal app, but I have a question on #8 on the backside of the renewal form.....this looks like a new question to me, I don't remember it the last go around. Maybe I just have the tin foil on a little tight, but doesn't adding the word "business" hang us up as C&R collectors? Do we have to answer this one? I have sold on gunbroker, but only to enhance my collection, not as a "business".

somd_mustangs · Jan 31, 2016

I just left that one blank.
I vaguely remember tracking down in the instructions it was for businesses.
Answering it would just open a can of worms.

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