Vepr 762x54R SVD MD legal?
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Yes. Or, at least I think I could make a reasonable argument for that in court.
And, as far as interpretation goes, remember that we're dealing with the same people who "reinterpreted" the "Bushmaster semi-auto rifle" to ban a specific marketing brand. I'm done with assuming the state is going to act logically or rationally.
ken792
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A Vepr may not be an AK-47, but it is a Kalashnikov pattern rifle.
A Saiga shotgun is not a rifle, that's why it remains legal.
hacktracker
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I guess I'm wondering where the Kalash-pattern ends. Any magazine feed long-stroke piston gun from a Com-Block nation? I thought there was an MSP rule about parts interchangeability.
Confusing.
Confusing.
ken792
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I actually spoke to a dealer in MD a few years ago (who is an IP here, but I won't call him out), who interpreted the Vz.58 as a regulated firearm would only transfer it as such. He knew full well how one of those works, but still chose to consider it a Kalashnikov pattern rifle.
NateIU10
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Exactly. Is it solely cosmetic? If so, is the gsg 47 banned? Solely function of gas system? Is the XCR banned?
rob-cubed
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The ironic thing about the passage of SB-281 is some FFLs who previously wouldn't sell VZs or 12-guage AKs as non-regulated arms are suddenly... agreeable... about their status.
If an AR-10 is OK, then a .308 or x54r AK should still be legal too but we all know laws aren't made on good intel or logic.
If an AR-10 is OK, then a .308 or x54r AK should still be legal too but we all know laws aren't made on good intel or logic.
RRHemi
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I made the mistake of finding out which one I liked, Tactical Sniper.
From the description:
"Veprs are built for extreme demands above and beyond all others with extra heavy duty receiver, extra heavy duty reinforcement each side and an extra heavy hammer forged chrome lined target like barrel. The combination of years of proven design with attention to detail has produced legendary dependability and legendary accuracy from the jungles to Siberia!
Enhanced against weather and mechanical wear the cartridge chamber, barrel bore, gas cylinder, and bolt- support rod are chrome lined.
The VEPR Rifle in 7362X54R is the top of the line in Kalashnikov action semi-automatic rifles. With features such as; Hammer forged heavy barrel, (including a chrome lined barrel bore, chamber, gas block and gas piston), 1.5mm thick receiver, RPK front trunnion, three locking lug bolt, spring loaded firing pin, side scope mount . The VEPR is simply the highest quality rifle based on the Kalashnikov design. The VEPR Rifles and Carbines are sporting arms based on the famous Soviet designed RPK. VEPR rifles are manufactured at the historic Vyatskie Polyany Machine Building Plant (a.k.a. "MOLOT"). Molot has been building excellence into their firearms for over 50 years"
I knew I would miss something, this is it!
From the description:
"Veprs are built for extreme demands above and beyond all others with extra heavy duty receiver, extra heavy duty reinforcement each side and an extra heavy hammer forged chrome lined target like barrel. The combination of years of proven design with attention to detail has produced legendary dependability and legendary accuracy from the jungles to Siberia!
Enhanced against weather and mechanical wear the cartridge chamber, barrel bore, gas cylinder, and bolt- support rod are chrome lined.
The VEPR Rifle in 7362X54R is the top of the line in Kalashnikov action semi-automatic rifles. With features such as; Hammer forged heavy barrel, (including a chrome lined barrel bore, chamber, gas block and gas piston), 1.5mm thick receiver, RPK front trunnion, three locking lug bolt, spring loaded firing pin, side scope mount . The VEPR is simply the highest quality rifle based on the Kalashnikov design. The VEPR Rifles and Carbines are sporting arms based on the famous Soviet designed RPK. VEPR rifles are manufactured at the historic Vyatskie Polyany Machine Building Plant (a.k.a. "MOLOT"). Molot has been building excellence into their firearms for over 50 years"
I knew I would miss something, this is it!
ken792
Ultimate Member
The only problem with that is that the list only says AR-15, not Armalite pattern rifle. The AR-10 predates the AR-15, therefore it's not an AR-15. If the list only said AK-47, then you could make a case that an AKM, AK-74, PSL, etc based rifle is not an AK-47. But because it says Kalashnikov pattern rifle, there is a much broader range of stuff they can claim is banned.
Reference MSP Bulletin 96-1. To the best of my understanding, if a firearm remains in the "sporting" configuration in which it was imported, it is legal and cash and carry, not formerly regulated/now banned. The bulletin references the old SA93 as an example. Following that lead, I say the PSL and VEPRs are good to go. I still sell Saiga 7.62x39 rifles in their unmodified form.
Oldcarjunkie
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I wish I could find some. Parts kits are available, but we can't build them for sale in state. We may have to look into importing them. I have a supply for VEPRs, Saigas, & Zastava M77s though, if anyone is interested.
ken792
Ultimate Member
Nice! I was under the impression that all MD dealers were too skittish to follow that.
Cugir says they will sell them to importers who are interested. 54r, 308 and 51 if I recall. If you had new magazines, you could probably sell them at a premium.
That's awesome. I'll have to look into it ASAP and see what I can do.
Here's where I heard it back in May: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_79/1...Cugir_folks_will_be_there_any_questions_.html
Hope this link to the pics taken at the show works http://m.imgur.com/a/DW6R3
Hope this link to the pics taken at the show works http://m.imgur.com/a/DW6R3
Mobile
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- Dec 30, 2011
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The parts interchangeability rule went out when they decided to treat piston AR's as banned, which are fundamentally different guns.
I can't keep up with their constantly-shifting decrees.
So Piston driven AR's are banned now? I saw some not too long ago at 2A.
Mobile
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- Dec 30, 2011
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Some dealers were selling them over the counter. During an audit the ATF noticed these AR's going to MD residents and called up MSP, which went around to the owners. Thing is, the way I heard it, they made them fill out 77R's but let them keep the rifles, which doesn't seem to make any sense. Anyway, I believe there is a thread on it somewhere; I might not have all the details correct.
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