VZ58 vs VZ2008

longgunnewb · Jul 19, 2014

Can someone please explain the difference between these two rifles? I know the VZ2008 is much cheaper than a true VZ58 but too many times I will see the two model names used to describe the same rifle.

My next "hope the wife doesn't find out" purchase will be one of these but I don't know which one. The $400 price for the 2008 is a hell of a lot better than the $800 prices I have seen for the 58s. Obviously there is a difference between them but I just can't get clear answers anywhere that I have looked.

navyis2 · Jul 19, 2014

The main difference I know of is that the 58s come standard with a tabbed bolt carrier, which can alleviate the gremlin issue, but I'm sure there are other things as well.

Jimbob2.0 · Jul 19, 2014

Ive seen them side by side the VZ58 is much better machine work but not all THAT great. Ill have one, but buy the VZ2008 first for a beater.

Duffys seems to get both in regularly. Ill probably snag a VZ58 from them when I wrap up some other projects.

So does High Rock in PA.

smdub · Jul 19, 2014

58: has the orig chrome lined barrel.
2008: dont.

58: orig barrel is something like 15.5". They have to pin a short muzzle device to get to >16"
2008: barrel is made >16"

58: bayonet lug ground off (import issue?) (note, a new front sight w/ lug is ~$20 on the web but you'll have to unpin muzzle device, replace sight, repin. If adding a brake, its a convenient time to do it.)
2008: has bayo lug

58: CZ made receiver which Czechpoint USA mills out to accept standard mags (like how arsenal AKs are brought into the country)
2008: Don't know who century gets to make theirs but its surely US.

Not sure what internal parts/trigger groups the 2008 is using. I should be able to compare side by side in about two weeks.

AK-47 · Jul 19, 2014

Vz2008 is half the cost thanVZ58
And what other have said in this post.
If you can inspect the VZ2008 before purchase knowing there could be a "gremlin" issue
then the VZ2008 is the way to go.
I bought a 2008 before I knew to look for tab on carrier or if it would have a cycling issue
Got it fixed for $50. I don't think the VZ58 are worth what the command.

sead0nkey · Jul 19, 2014

The vz58 was a good deal 3 years ago.

The vz2008 is a good deal now.

mtel · Jul 19, 2014

longgunnewb said:
Can someone please explain the difference between these two rifles? I know the VZ2008 is much cheaper than a true VZ58 but too many times I will see the two model names used to describe the same rifle.

My next "hope the wife doesn't find out" purchase will be one of these but I don't know which one. The $400 price for the 2008 is a hell of a lot better than the $800 prices I have seen for the 58s. Obviously there is a difference between them but I just can't get clear answers anywhere that I have looked.

$800 for a 58 is a good deal these days. Cheapest I've seen so far was $995 and that's after coming down out of the clouds at ~$1100 awhile back.

I'd like both but IMHO the 58 is the better rifle. Just not a good value right now.

58 has a chrome-lined hammer-forged Lothar Walther barrel, Czech receiver, paint over park (vs just park on the 2008), tabbed bolt carrier, etc. Lots of quality small details.

Nice in-depth review here. Might want to skip to the conclusion if it's tl;dr. Nice read though.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/joe-grine/gun-review-czech-vzor-58/

Vile Shadow · Jul 19, 2014

I got a 2008 from Duffy's last month.

I haven't fired it yet, but it feels well built. It's light, handles well, and has a metal trigger. So far I'm more impressed with it than my WASR-10.

I sure hope I don't wind up with the headspace issue mentioned in the article.

mtel · Jul 19, 2014

Great design. For the money, I think the 2008 is well worth the risk.

If you find time, might be worth getting it to the range to work out potential kinks, considering that weird warranty.

Vile Shadow · Jul 19, 2014

After reading the article I had to go fondle mine again.

I was surprised to get a CAI rifle with a 2 stage trigger. Now I want one in my WASR, instead of that Tapco setup.

mtel · Jul 19, 2014

Sling Blade said:
After reading the article I had to go fondle mine again.

Yep that's definitely half the fun. :thumbsup:

rico903 · Jul 20, 2014

Where are the $400 VZ 2008's and how many mags come with them?

smdub · Jul 20, 2014

rico903 said:
Where are the $400 VZ 2008's and how many mags come with them?

PSA, but they won't ship to MD or even let you use a credit card w/ MD billing address. :mad54:

Have to get an out of state FFL to order. They come w/ 5 mags.

lsw · Jul 20, 2014

smdub's list of differences is good. Add that the VZ2008 has a threaded muzzle. A good brake really makes a difference on these rifles.

Vile Shadow · Jul 20, 2014

Did original Czech military issue rifles come with chrome lined barrels?

longgunnewb · Jul 20, 2014

Sling Blade said:
Did original Czech military issue rifles come with chrome lined barrels?

From what I understand the original VZ58s did in fact have chrome lined barrels. Since the VZ2008s have US made barrels they aren't chromed.

ibanez320dx · Jul 20, 2014

For around $500 you can't beat the VZ2008. Would it be the first thing I grab if the world was coming to an end? No. But a fun shooter to plink with all day? Yes. I've taken mine out a few times and had two fail to feeds on the first mag. After that its been fine. I chock that up to being new.

smdub · Jul 20, 2014

lsw said:
smdub's list of differences is good. Add that the VZ2008 has a threaded muzzle. A good brake really makes a difference on these rifles.

The 58s barrel is threaded too. Just the short ~0.5" extension to get it to >16" is pinned on. You could remove that and have a brake pinned on as I stated.

Sling Blade said:
Did original Czech military issue rifles come with chrome lined barrels?

Yes, here are pics of my 58 parts kit. You can clearly see the chrome on breech and muzzle end. The Czechpoint looks the same.

c4snipar · Jul 24, 2014

About to get mine for around $525. Yup, psa won't ship it even it's legal in md. Otherwise, it would be sweet.

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Combloc · Jul 25, 2014

One is a BMW 7 Series and the other is a volkswagen beetle. As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.

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