Death beating last night at Elkton Acme

Intercooler · Aug 21, 2012

The article said today the Police count was 21 blows and they determined after the 2nd blow he was out. The parting shot was a kick to the head which caved in his skull.

Mobile Jury and fry him within a week I say.

7A38 · Aug 21, 2012

RobMoore said:
I'm just assuming here, but maybe if he didn't let his 14yo dress like a hooker/pop star she wouldn't get looks from middle aged men.

Maybe I missed it in the article. But where do any of you see anything about a 14 yo daughter being involved other than what the original poster wrote?

7A38

damionkarp · Aug 22, 2012

Personally, I don't shop at Acme anymore. I have no need for rockets or skates, or rocket powered skates. I was thinking about buying those items but after watching what happens to a particular coyote each time he tries them....no sir! Another thing the coyote taught me was to be very careful when entering a tunnel. I can't tell you how many times he was fooled by paint on a wall that looked like a tunnel. I owe the coyote for all my precautions.

ericahls · Aug 22, 2012

esqappellate said:
Exactly right. And this is tricky. You really, really have to think various scenarios through ahead of time. I know this area of law well, but I still find myself doing research on it. Woe to the lay person who guesses wrong.

I carry and my hard and fast rule is that I'll intervene if a women or child is being attacked by a man. That's an easy one, 'disparity of force'.

If your a man than you are on your own. I'll call the police and be a 'good witness'. I have a family to take care of and can't risk going to jail or getting sued helping in that situation.

Now if bad guy has a deadly weapon, that's different.

PJDiesel · Aug 22, 2012

7A38 said:
Maybe I missed it in the article. But where do any of you see anything about a 14 yo daughter being involved other than what the original poster wrote?

7A38

It's not official, but I have also heard this (just yesterday). A reliable source tells me that they were just coming from dinner at a local chain restaurant were they ate with another couple, went to dollar general to buy socks for the stepdaughter (wearing flip flops) prior to going bowling. The victim supposedly make some type of extended "look" towards the minor. Guess he followed him over to Acme. The stepdaughter also may or may not have mentioned that he "was looking for a fight" all day, and no one went into the Acme with him, he was not a shopper at the time of the attack.

None of this really matters though. I don't give a shit if the guy spit in his stepdaughters face and called her a slut, that doesn't warrant the type of violent beating he received. Furthermore, anyone who thinks it does require that level of response needs to realize what his life (and his families) life is going to be from now on. He's DONE, he would have been better off to shoot the guy, this kind of violence is going to be severely punished I'd imagine.

eruby · Aug 22, 2012

damionkarp said:
Personally, I don't shop at Acme anymore. I have no need for rockets or skates, or rocket powered skates. I was thinking about buying those items but after watching what happens to a particular coyote each time he tries them....no sir! Another thing the coyote taught me was to be very careful when entering a tunnel. I can't tell you how many times he was fooled by paint on a wall that looked like a tunnel. I owe the coyote for all my precautions.

Nobody likes (or makes) stupid jokes more than I do, but I think your post is a big bag of fail IMHO.

Intercooler said:
The article said today the Police count was 21 blows and they determined after the 2nd blow he was out. The parting shot was a kick to the head which caved in his skull.

Mobile Jury and fry him within a week I say.

Agree 100%

ericahls · Aug 22, 2012

eruby said:
Nobody likes (or makes) stupid jokes more than I do, but I think your post is a big bag of fail IMHO.

Agree 100%

I thought it was funny. Life is serious enough. We are adults lets take it in context.

huesmann · Aug 22, 2012

I thought it was funny too. The joke wasn't poking fun at the incident or any of the participants, aside from the fact that they shopped at a store with the same name as the one Wile E. Coyote shops at.

Maestro Pistolero · Aug 22, 2012

esqappellate said:
The law in MD permits you to use lethal force to defend the life of another if the person being aided could have used lethal force to defend his own life.

It may be very difficult for a layman to judge when a weapon-less beating is about to be lethal. One blow can do it. If you shoot before that one blow you may be in serious legal peril. Shoot after it, and your peril decreases but you didn't save anyone's life.

The article said today the Police count was 21 blows and they determined after the 2nd blow he was out. The parting shot was a kick to the head which caved in his skull.

THAT's different. If an assailant is continuing to beat an unconscious individual, and refuses a direct command to cease, I would be very comfortable in making that call and letting the chips fall where they may.

MikeTF · Aug 22, 2012

Grab a 2lb can of nuts off of the store shelf and whack the guy full force right at the back of his head as he's beating the other guy and quickly retreat. If he passes out, you're done. If he keeps beating do it again. If chases you, run or stand your ground (CCW). Your choice.

I would put him in a proper rear choke and turn his lights out temporily, based on my skillset.

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eruby · Aug 22, 2012

ericahls said:
I thought it was funny. Life is serious enough. We are adults lets take it in context.

huesmann said:
I thought it was funny too. The joke wasn't poking fun at the incident or any of the participants, aside from the fact that they shopped at a store with the same name as the one Wile E. Coyote shops at.

Me - 1, MDS - 2

It wasn't the context as much as I thought it was way too long. No 'hurt feelings report' needed on my end.

HeatSeeker · Aug 22, 2012

In my opinion this is a 2A issue, because it is exactly these type of people that are out there that all law abiding citizens should have the right to carry to protect themselves from. We should not have to encounter one of these predators before we have a reason to apply for a MD CCP. This poor guy now has a G&S reason to get a CC permit in MD, but I guess he will not be able to do that because he is dead!

HeatSeeker · Aug 22, 2012

If this had been a mass shooting at Acme it would be all over the national news and all the anti-gunners would be jumping on it to argue why guns should be outlawed.

The NRA should pick this up and give this incident national attention to support gun/2A rights. Have David Keene call Sean Hannity and it will get the attention it deserves.

smokering · Aug 22, 2012

ericahls said:
I carry and my hard and fast rule is that I'll intervene if a women or child is being attacked by a man. That's an easy one, 'disparity of force'.

If you're a man than you are on your own. I'll call the police and be a 'good witness'. I have a family to take care of and can't risk going to jail or getting sued helping in that situation.

Now if bad guy has a deadly weapon, that's different.

What about elderly or infirmed, 2> on 1?

teratos · Aug 22, 2012

ericahls said:
I carry and my hard and fast rule is that I'll intervene if a women or child is being attacked by a man. That's an easy one, 'disparity of force'.

If your a man than you are on your own. I'll call the police and be a 'good witness'. I have a family to take care of and can't risk going to jail or getting sued helping in that situation.

Now if bad guy has a deadly weapon, that's different.

Jeez, that's tough. There are some really wimpy guys out there. It is no fault of their own, they weight 130 lbs wet and can't bench press 70 lbs. Maybe they are book worms, nerds etc. What if a 250 pound steroid addled beefcake starts picking on him, or beating his head into the ground?

damionkarp · Aug 22, 2012

eruby said:
Me - 1, MDS - 2

It wasn't the context as much as I thought it was way too long. No 'hurt feelings report' needed on my end.

That length was the beauty of the joke. I was able to tie the situation to a cartoon without offending anyone. I was also able to further expand on the relationship of the Coyote and his various ways he humiliates himself...oh wait, if I have to explain it it loses its comedic value. I apologize to you for nudging the post of topic... no, wait, it's on topic, kinda.

damionkarp · Aug 22, 2012

It sounds like the guy was looking for a fight and used the victim as an excuse to beat someone up. He will have all the fights he wants in jail. He will be tested and harassed everyday by people who have nothing to lose. He will find out quickly he's a goldfish in a lake full of piranha.

eruby · Aug 22, 2012

damionkarp said:
That length was the beauty of the joke. I was able to tie the situation to a cartoon without offending anyone. I was also able to further expand on the relationship of the Coyote and his various ways he humiliates himself...oh wait, if I have to explain it it loses its comedic value. I apologize to you for nudging the post of topic... no, wait, it's on topic, kinda.

No apology needed and no offense taken. And as the saying goes, that's why there are horse races.

I LOVE the joke "what do they make bagels out of?" "Jew dough" Many do not.

damionkarp · Aug 22, 2012

eruby said:
No apology needed and no offense taken. And as the saying goes, that's why there are horse races.

I LOVE the joke "what do they make bagels out of?" "Jew dough" Many do not.

Or you could have said " what kind of martial arts does a Jewish baker practice? " Jew Dough"

eruby · Aug 22, 2012

damionkarp said:
Or you could have said " what kind of martial arts does a Jewish baker practice? " Jew Dough"

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