Does a frame require an HQL?

ken792 · Sep 4, 2014

So currently, a stripped AR lower does not require an HQL, because it is not a handgun, but simply an "other." Does that mean that I could buy a Glock frame or lower assembly without an HQL?

If a distributor takes apart a existing Glock and sends the stripped frame to an FFL, does the FFL paper it out as a handgun or other?

mopar92 · Sep 4, 2014

I would say legally no. Finding an FFL willing to do so......
Another story altogether.

Rack&Roll · Sep 4, 2014

I don't know of any Glock frame that could leave the factory without a serial number. Once serialized it becomes the regulated part of a handgun.

Which is why you can buy barrels, springs, triggers and grips all day long without paperwork.

ken792 · Sep 4, 2014

Rack&Roll said:
I don't know of any Glock frame that could leave the factory without a serial number. Once serialized it becomes the regulated part of a handgun.

Which is why you can buy barrels, springs, triggers and grips all day long without paperwork.

Having a serial number does not make it a "handgun." An AR lower or AK receiver has a serial number, but they're still papered as an "other," not a rifle or pistol.

I'm kind of considering building a Timberwolf "Glock." I don't really need it, but if I can get a frame without an HQL, then that would be a good enough FU to Owemalley and Frosh.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...lf-frame-17-22-sku100011176-55110-111795.aspx

I wonder if Glock would be willing to sell stripped frames to MD, and sell parts kits separately.

ken792 · Sep 4, 2014

Here we go.
http://www.glockmeister.com/Complete-Receivers/products/105/

I'm assuming that these left the factory in that state and are not takeoffs? If so, then they should be papered as "other?"

tc617 · Sep 4, 2014

I have wondered the same. I don't have a HQL and would like to order a Glock lower receiver. I am going to ask my FFL if he will transfer a stripped Glock receiver as an OTHER since it is not a barreled handgun.

http://www.glockmeister.com/GLOCK-Receivers-Slides/departments/104/

hogarth · Sep 4, 2014

I bought a glock frame a few months back. My recollection was that I needed the HQL but didn't need to get the fired casing since it was just a frame.

ken792 · Sep 5, 2014

hogarth said:
I bought a glock frame a few months back. My recollection was that I needed the HQL but didn't need to get the fired casing since it was just a frame.

I'd think that's an FFL covering his ass more so than the law or Licensing Division specifying that.

MD law requires a shell casing from new handguns. Since they don't/can't take a shell casing from a frame, then I'd think that implies that MD doesn't consider them handguns. Also last I checked, there are no frames on the handgun roster, so MD shouldn't consider them handguns.

Haides · Sep 5, 2014

What's the definition of Handgun in the Maryland code? I know its "a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches." Does it say anything else? If not... A guess a frame couldn't legally be a handgun.

Hicap · Sep 5, 2014

Would love to know a definitive answer to this, tag for later.

offroaD · Sep 5, 2014

My guess is you do, since the frame can only be built into a pistol unlike an AR. I would say calling and asking Engage would be your best bet.

Haides · Sep 5, 2014

Yeah but you don't need an HQL to build your own pistol for personal use, or else building AR pistols would be a problem...

This is a pretty good question.

Rack&Roll · Sep 5, 2014

I did not say the serial number made it a handgun. I said the serial number made it the regulated part of firearm.

It's a stretch but I suppose a frame could be papered as an "other"-- but only if it was built into a Glock carbine and never reverted to a pistol. That would seem to be the only way to get a Glock without an HQL.

Threeband · Sep 5, 2014

offroaD said:
My guess is you do, since the frame can only be built into a pistol unlike an AR. ...

A Glock frame can also be built into a Mechtech carbine.

http://mechtechsys.com/index.php

Pinecone · Sep 5, 2014

Rack&Roll said:
I did not say the serial number made it a handgun. I said the serial number made it the regulated part of firearm.

It's a stretch but I suppose a frame could be papered as an "other"-- but only if it was built into a Glock carbine and never reverted to a pistol. That would seem to be the only way to get a Glock without an HQL.

AR lowers transferred as Other can be built into a pistol.

Waz · Sep 5, 2014

lonewolf makes replacement frames that are on the handgun roster so i'm thinking a glock frame might require the HQL

also, i thought i heard/read something about the gen2 glock frame patent expired or is expiring and potentially we could be seeing 80% glock frames in the future...

stu929 · Sep 5, 2014

I wish you luck but I have a feeling you need an hql.

I have been wanting to try to build a 1911 but was told to get the frame I needed the hql which im not willing to do at this point. Eventually I will cave of move but not yet.

Jaybeez · Sep 5, 2014

Threeband said:
A Glock frame can also be built into a Mechtech carbine.

http://mechtechsys.com/index.php

1911 receivers too.

this looks like a job for Andy@engage

jr88 · Sep 5, 2014

This is a great question and I have also wondered about it, especially since the change of heart on the lowers. However I think it's still a no. They have always required an FFL and other states that sell AR's as C/C require an FFL for handgun frames. I have never seen a Handgun frame on GB that didn't require an FFL, so I wouldn't think Md. would allow it.

Waz · Sep 5, 2014

Threeband said:
A Glock frame can also be built into a Mechtech carbine.

http://mechtechsys.com/index.php

if a FFL decided to sell a glock mechtech carbine, would it be cash and carry or require HQL?

Does a frame require an HQL?

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