MY CARRY PERMIT IS DENIED!!!

USAFRavenR6 · Aug 19, 2015

fightinbluhen51 said:
Yeah, tell that to the folks of Charlie Hebdo and innocent civilians in France.

Look, I'm not bemoaning you for using an angle and playing the game; if I could, I would too.

I'm Pissed at the game! You don't have any more heightened scrutiny than any other US Citizen. PERIOD! But so much for equal protection.

Keep moving forward, we need more permits in general.

I was right bro........

Schipperke · Aug 19, 2015

PJDiesel said:
Interesting that one of her investigation methods is to "see" if you look "crazy". Are the MSP investigating Troopers licensed mental health professionals?

Slightly subjective if I do say so, but,.... they know it when they see it, so.....

I kept thinking about this post when I was there.. :lol2:

My wife dared me to put on a Tourette display at the interview.

Straightshooter · Aug 19, 2015

Schipperke said:
I kept thinking about this post when I was there..
My wife dared me to put on a Tourette display at the interview.

This interviewer would not have been there. She was promoted and put in charge of a different division in the same building.

Schipperke · Aug 19, 2015

Told where the interview would be at I replied , "Belgium" :confused:

dblas · Aug 19, 2015

ccmc said:
That might be it.

Serious question - have any states with democrat controlled legislatures expanded Second Amendment rights in recent memory?

Illinois two(?) years ago went shall issue, from no issue. It was court directed, but they did it.

swinokur · Aug 20, 2015

ME passed permitless carry. effective 10-15

mtnwisdom · Aug 20, 2015

swinokur said:
ME passed permitless carry. effective 10-15

Only for residents of ME, non-residents still need permits and new requirement to immediately notify LEO during traffic stop.

But great news anyway!

swinokur · Aug 20, 2015

Half right.

Here is a copy of the Maine bill. No mention it only applies to residents.

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STATE OF MAINE
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IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORDTWO THOUSAND AND FIFTEEN
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S.P. 245
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L.D. 652
An Act To Authorize the Carrying of Concealed Handguns without a Permit
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:
Sec. 1.
12 MRSA §11212
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§1, ¶B,
as amended by PL 2005, c. 477, §9,
is
further amended to read:
B.
A person may not, while in or on a motor vehicle or in or on a trailer or other type
of vehicle being hauled by a motor vehicle, have a cocked and armed crossbow or a
firearm with a cartridge or shell in the chamber or in an attached magazine, clip or
cylinder or a muzzle-loading firearm charged with powder, lead and a primed ignition
device or mechanism, except that a person who is 21 years of age or older and is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm or is
18 years of age or older and under 21 years of age and is on active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard or
is an honorably discharged veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard and is not otherwise prohibited from carrying a firearm
may have in or on a motor vehicle or trailer or other type of vehicle a loaded pistol or revolver covered by that permi

According to the Maine State Police summary attached, anyone can carry without a permit after Oct 15, not just residents. you will need to inform LE upon contact if CCW without a permit.

From the law

Sec. 4.
25 MRSA §2003
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is enacted to read:
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A. Duty to inform law enforcementWhen an individual who is carrying a concealed handgun pursuant to the authority of
this chapter and who does not have a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun that has
been issued as provided in this chapter first comes into contact with any law enforcement
officer of this State or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer
during the course of any arrest, detainment or routine traffic stop, that individual shall
immediately inform that law enforcement officer of the fact that the individual is carrying
a concealed handgun.

press1280 · Aug 22, 2015

ccmc said:
That might be it.

Serious question - have any states with democrat controlled legislatures expanded Second Amendment rights in recent memory?

Iowa in 2011 passed shall-issue with a Dem House, Senate and Governor. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20100429/iowa-s-governor-signs-shall-issue-bill-1

IMO much of it has to do with urban/suburb as compared to rural politicians, sometimes even more so than Dem v. GOP.

press1280 · Aug 22, 2015

dblas said:
Illinois two(?) years ago went shall issue, from no issue. It was court directed, but they did it.

Sort of. The options they had were: do nothing, and basically have FOID carry be the default law, or pass may-issue, or pass shall-issue. Both sides didn't like the FOID carry (our side wouldn't have pre-emption, their side wouldn't get the extra requirements like training and fees). So when forced, shall-issue easily won over may-issue.

press1280 · Aug 22, 2015

mtnwisdom said:
Only for residents of ME, non-residents still need permits and new requirement to immediately notify LEO during traffic stop.

But great news anyway!

Looks like that's only for those w/o permits, or maybe recognized permits. Their new reciprocity law (still not in effect until October I think) will be a "You recognize us, we recognize you" law just like WV,FL, CO and others.

swinokur · Aug 22, 2015

LE notification is for those carrying without a permit. see my post above.

Permitless carry will apply to everyone, not just residents.

Effective date Oct 15, 2015

press1280 · Aug 22, 2015

swinokur said:
LE notification is for those carrying without a permit. see my post above.

Permitless carry will apply to everyone, not just residents.

Effective date Oct 15, 2015

But will that be for reciprocal permits only or any permit? Though they'll be ConCarry, they technically won't recognize all other permits.

swinokur · Aug 22, 2015

if there is no reciprocity then they are technically carrying permitless, so notification will be required.

IANAL.

is that the question?

SCDoGo · Aug 22, 2015

press1280 said:
Iowa in 2011 passed shall-issue with a Dem House, Senate and Governor. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20100429/iowa-s-governor-signs-shall-issue-bill-1

IMO much of it has to do with urban/suburb as compared to rural politicians, sometimes even more so than Dem v. GOP.

Having recently moved from the midwest, the Iowa democrats are very different from our democrats. Iowa is largely D for one main reason, farmers. Farm subsidies are a way of life out there. Many democrats out there are opposed to a good portion of the more liberal agenda, especially concerning guns and welfare programs (farmers excluded, of course). There is still a feeling, however, that going back to the great depression and FDR, the democrats are the ones that saved the farmers.

Schipperke · Aug 22, 2015

SCDoGo said:
Having recently moved from the midwest, the Iowa democrats are very different from our democrats. Iowa is largely D for one main reason, farmers. Farm subsidies are a way of life out there. Many democrats out there are opposed to a good portion of the more liberal agenda, especially concerning guns and welfare programs (farmers excluded, of course). There is still a feeling, however, that going back to the great depression and FDR, the democrats are the ones that saved the farmers.

Leave it to the leftists to bilk the taxpayers to pay farmers to lower production to keep prices inflated. Still going on today.. We pay 200% the world rate for sugar. You ever wonder too why so much damn corn is grown here? :innocent0

Biggfoot44 · Aug 24, 2015

Even if the proverial astroid hit the hypothetical State House, the replacements would still be elected from martymandered districts. Would create a free for all with everyone having zero seniority.

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