Maybe that someone could be a judge from a higher court, in reaction to legal action by the people who file suit on not only a second amendment basis, but every other constitutional law that the the permit law is violating.
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Maybe that someone could be a judge from a higher court, in reaction to legal action by the people who file suit on not only a second amendment basis, but every other constitutional law that the the permit law is violating.
The fact that you need a permit is in and of itself Unconstitutional. We don't need the Gov to permit us to exercise a fundamental right. It will take a little time, but I think MD will be put in it's place.
Kharn
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Money's tight this month, but hopefully I can get an SAF life membership in September/October.
Gura has asked for over $3.4mil for Heller. DC's claiming they shouldn't have to pay as it boosted his career to extreme heights.
Spot77
Ultimate Member
Money's tight this month, but hopefully I can get an SAF life membership in September/October.
Gura has asked for over $3.4mil for Heller. DC's claiming they shouldn't have to pay as it boosted his career to extreme heights.
Yet another lawsuit waiting to happen that the taxpayers will have to fund....
I'm assuming for an equal protection case you'd probably need the MSP to open their books and reveal who the current permitholders are. That could possibly mean a whole nother process and time to get that. I guess Gura and Co. don't feel its needed and want to get this done before some crackhead comes through the court system and damages caselaw further.
Boondock Saint
Ultimate Member
Wow, look what I missed! I've been out of touch for a week for work. It's good to see good news for Maryland.
A couple of weeks ago, July 17th, we held the 4th Open Holster Rally. About 40 supporters showed up for the event. I wonder how many supports we would have if we held a rally this August 21st? Timing is everything.
The SAF is working the Judicial front in our war for our Second Amendment Rights. This winter MSI will be working the Legislative front. The time has come where our General Assembly will have to reconsider their gun laws. Some will try to make them “McDonald” proof, others (our friends) will try to bring them into compliance. We will need everyone’s support to fight the battles that are looming on the horizon. The fight starts this November when we elect into office those who will either work with us or against us. Then in February the 2011 General Assembly begins. Start thinking about ways you can help. Writing letters, making phone calls, attending hearings and participating in your governmental process. MSI can and will provide you with guidance and tools.
Stay tuned kids, the best is yet to come!
-Boxcab
A couple of weeks ago, July 17th, we held the 4th Open Holster Rally. About 40 supporters showed up for the event. I wonder how many supports we would have if we held a rally this August 21st? Timing is everything.
The SAF is working the Judicial front in our war for our Second Amendment Rights. This winter MSI will be working the Legislative front. The time has come where our General Assembly will have to reconsider their gun laws. Some will try to make them “McDonald” proof, others (our friends) will try to bring them into compliance. We will need everyone’s support to fight the battles that are looming on the horizon. The fight starts this November when we elect into office those who will either work with us or against us. Then in February the 2011 General Assembly begins. Start thinking about ways you can help. Writing letters, making phone calls, attending hearings and participating in your governmental process. MSI can and will provide you with guidance and tools.
Stay tuned kids, the best is yet to come!
-Boxcab
hairba111
XGMG2
I'm digging out my old concealed carry holsters and cleaning them up. I feel a weight lifting off with this news.
I sent SAF a one year membership and a check for $150 is on it's way to MSI for group recognition. SAF is a savvy bunch...those who joined as life members will be recognized as residing in Maryland, having joined the fight as a result of the Maryland suit. Win win for everyone.
krucam
Ultimate Member
I like others here have been "out of touch" for a while. I just finished up bicycling across Iowa and missed my laptop!
Fantastic news here. CA, NY, DC and now MD have similar suits now challenging discretionary issue. As Patrick mentioned, Palmer (DC) and Sykes (CA) are overdue for decision at their respective Courts. Hopefully Delegate Dwyer will take Patricks submission (revised letter to the AG) and resubmit the questions. That letter brings up the same points as the NY/MD/NC suits, that being that these laws are a violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1983, Civil action for deprivation of rights.
This is fantastic footing to be on and is all do to SAF & Gura with Heller and especially McDonald. Please keep the pressure up. You can count on the antis in Annapolis to come out swinging when the next session convenes in February. The big prize WILL be one soon (Shall Issue), but the myriad of other Legislative actions are endless that they will put forth.
Great news but this is far from over. I do think it is time however to start shopping around for a pocket gun...
Fantastic news here. CA, NY, DC and now MD have similar suits now challenging discretionary issue. As Patrick mentioned, Palmer (DC) and Sykes (CA) are overdue for decision at their respective Courts. Hopefully Delegate Dwyer will take Patricks submission (revised letter to the AG) and resubmit the questions. That letter brings up the same points as the NY/MD/NC suits, that being that these laws are a violation of 42 U.S.C. § 1983, Civil action for deprivation of rights.
This is fantastic footing to be on and is all do to SAF & Gura with Heller and especially McDonald. Please keep the pressure up. You can count on the antis in Annapolis to come out swinging when the next session convenes in February. The big prize WILL be one soon (Shall Issue), but the myriad of other Legislative actions are endless that they will put forth.
Great news but this is far from over. I do think it is time however to start shopping around for a pocket gun...
I see good news and bad news in this case. Count I is not a slam dunk as Heller did not provide a blanket right to self-defense in all places at all times. A reasonable person could read the decision and find the court views self-defense as a constitutional right, regardless of location. On the other hand, that was not stated in the majority opinion. Instead we get, "Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid."
Because of that ambiguity, it will have to be further defined in subsequent court cases. My own opinion is that it would require some very strange reasoning to claim the right of self defense is limited to the home.
Count II is much stronger. The Maryland Public Safety Code in question cannot survive equal protection claims. The very fact that there does not appear to be an objective standard at all, regardless of the due process protections, inevitably results in an unequal application of the law.
The good news here is they will probably win on Count II. The bad news is the state will simply stop issue new permits and renewing current permits until the legislature and courts work their magic.
It would be nice to think the political class in this state will throw in the towel and not waste the people's money on fighting this litigation. I'm not confident of that, but you never know.
Because of that ambiguity, it will have to be further defined in subsequent court cases. My own opinion is that it would require some very strange reasoning to claim the right of self defense is limited to the home.
Count II is much stronger. The Maryland Public Safety Code in question cannot survive equal protection claims. The very fact that there does not appear to be an objective standard at all, regardless of the due process protections, inevitably results in an unequal application of the law.
The good news here is they will probably win on Count II. The bad news is the state will simply stop issue new permits and renewing current permits until the legislature and courts work their magic.
It would be nice to think the political class in this state will throw in the towel and not waste the people's money on fighting this litigation. I'm not confident of that, but you never know.
ALBY
Active Member
- Jan 5, 2008
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newly minted SAF life member here...
Maybe that is where we can organize those that can't financially contribute? Point being, EVERYONE can write a letter to their elected official outlining their disdane that their tax dollars are being used to fund the lawsuit to fight this case, and others like it.
Boondock Saint
Ultimate Member
I sent a note with my dues saying that I was upping my membership as a direct result of this lawsuit.
I also sent another one to the 800 pound gorilla telling them about my upgraded membership with SAF.
Well, the gorilla didn't hear those of us who screamed for help in MD. Maybe it at least can read.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Im a little lost here.
Are people arguning on strategy when their imput wont even effect the case, and are people actaully ANGRY because SAF isnt discussing the strategy?
Are people arguning on strategy when their imput wont even effect the case, and are people actaully ANGRY because SAF isnt discussing the strategy?
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Patrick
MSI Executive Member
SAF also sued MD on Due Process grounds. They did not specifically call out "the politically connected", but Due Process is Due Process. I guess they could eventually make an issue of it.
Debate over. Everyone wins.
SAF also sued MD on Due Process grounds. They did not specifically call out "the politically connected", but Due Process is Due Process. I guess they could eventually make an issue of it.
Debate over. Everyone wins.
that's good to hear, let's keep hope
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