Ben Carson Clarifies His Stance on 2nd Amendment, Supports Owning Any Type of Firearm

trickg · Nov 28, 2014

iH8DemLibz said:
This country needs some unvarnished truth and a slap upside the head for a change and if means losing the election, it means losing the election.

People who do that are quickly branded as kooks and crackpots by the media. Not only will they get no traction or be elected, but their campaign becomes a lesson in what not to say if you have any prayer of getting elected.

I wish it wasn't that way, but that's what we've come to in this country. Someone wishing to get office must first do what's necessary to get elected, and then try to make changes after that process has been completed.

Even Hogan did it. He didn't want to openly touch guns with a 10-foot pole prior to election day because he knew it was an incendiary topic that could cost him votes. It almost backfired when Brown's people got on this site and dug up some info from some of our chatter. Hogan is AFAIK pro gun, but he wasn't open about it during the campaign.

jc1240 · Nov 29, 2014

smokey0118 said:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/11/26/Carson-Cops-Could-Be-Trained-to-Shoot-For-The-Legs/

So I'll just leave this here and continue to be skeptical of carson's support of the 2A and defense as a whole.

Perhaps he's just not yet fully educated on that topic (shooting to wound). It's a question going around.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...and-other-professionals-do-not-shoot-to-wound

Fishguy · Nov 29, 2014

jc1240 said:
Perhaps he's just not yet fully educated on that topic (shooting to wound). It's a question going around.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...and-other-professionals-do-not-shoot-to-wound

Possible.

Or, he was chosen by the elitist blue blood GOP Republicans to be the token black guy speaking for the GOP who doesn't really belong in a presidential race. Hey, it worked for Obama, didn't it?

janklow · Nov 30, 2014

Fishguy said:
Or, he was chosen by the elitist blue blood GOP Republicans to be the token black guy speaking for the GOP who doesn't really belong in a presidential race. Hey, it worked for Obama, didn't it?

didn't seem to work for Herman Cain...

jc1240 · Nov 30, 2014

Regardless of this topic, I like Dr. Carson, but I think he needs to run for a lower office first. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure anyone is ready to jump into the position of POTUS directly from a non-political job/career.

navycraig · Nov 30, 2014

janklow said:
didn't seem to work for Herman Cain...

HC was much less articulate than many teenagers I know.

crowleycr · Nov 30, 2014

Because of his very recent introspective flip flopping, to get my vote he needs to show support and commitment. That means he needs to be a member of something pro gun and show up.

I want to know what organizations he belongs to. NRA? NSSF? GOA?
I want to know what kinds of guns he owns. time to buy and AR and start practicing Ben.

DanGuy48 · Nov 30, 2014

I don't hold those comments against Carson. What he said makes sense given his experiences and background. What counts is what they're going to say to put themselves on record when asked specifically and directly about an issue. He initially said he'd prefer those type firearms not be in certain types of neighborhoods. I'd "prefer" all liberals reside in one state but that's not something I would enforce given the power, not in this country. This is a good thing when one can acknowledge what one would like but acknowledge that the reality in a free country is something different.

I'm reminded of Dr. Koop. He had some very strong convictions coming from his personal beliefs but, much to his credit, he knew to keep them separate from his job as surgeon general. We need such people in government who can distinguish between personal desires and the responsibility to the job. This clown we have in the Whitehouse thinks his personal views are what the whole country needs, other views be damned.

Schwabe · Nov 30, 2014

teratos said:
God forbid someone who has never really paid attention to a particular topic change their mind once they familiarize themselves with the issues.....

This ...

If this was not an important issue for him he may never have spent much time elaborating and when asked just answered from a gut feeling point of view. Now he is forced to formulate a stand on everything and has to take into account everything. He may have answered the same way on gay marriage and legalisation of drugs, without having ever thought it through all the way, now he has to formulate an absolute stand.

In the end if and when we have a Repub trifecta I believe federal gun laws will remain unchanged. Change only comes on a local/state level without being challenged on a federal level. Maybe CCW reciprocity at the most.

DanGuy48 · Nov 30, 2014

trickg said:
...I wish it wasn't that way, but that's what we've come to in this country. Someone wishing to get office must first do what's necessary to get elected...

Sad but true. I've come to believe recently that those qualities which best serve a politician in an election bid are the exact same qualities I'd just as soon not see in someone holding office.

ToneGrail · Dec 1, 2014

I think one trip to the range would clear a lot of things up for this man.

Skins_Brew · Dec 1, 2014

I can give him a pass. He is a smart dude. Maybe he had these ideas about AR15s and urban areas and then started actually listening to what his supporters had to say. Maybe he realized, "Shit, these people are not a fan of that, maybe I should change."

If I go and kick a puppy, people are going to be pissed off at me, and it might cost me friends, etc. I would probably learn NOT to kick a puppy again. Maybe Carson learned...

Washington needs people like Carson. What we do not need to more Lawyers and career politicians.

jrumann59 · Dec 1, 2014

Sounds like to me conservatives always do this. They start eating their own because they feel their candidate should be 100% lockstep with their ideals. I let you figure out how that logic is flawed.

I get at the very least he has been 2A "neutral" but besides that he has some very good ideas and it would actually be refreshing to have aconservative that is not a lifelong politcian.

DanGuy48 · Dec 1, 2014

jrumann59 said:
..and it would actually be refreshing to have aconservative that is not a lifelong politcian.

YES!!!

He's someone who is already wealthy from a very successful career and, now, famous. So it seems to me he's getting into this because he's fed up enough that he wants to do something about it.

ezliving · Dec 1, 2014

I support Dr. Carson for Secretary of HHS or Surgeon General. Not for President.

Afrikeber · Dec 1, 2014

I support Carson if he has someone like Condoleezza Rice as his Vice President , and Alan West as his Secretary of Defense. Bongino Homeland Security, etc. .....

Having a really good team of department heads and advisers is what really counts in the Executive Branch. Carson would bring calm resolve during times of crisis and high pressure. The best leaders do not flinch or over react in times of crisis.

janklow · Dec 2, 2014

Skins_Brew said:
I can give him a pass. He is a smart dude. Maybe he had these ideas about AR15s and urban areas and then started actually listening to what his supporters had to say. Maybe he realized, "Shit, these people are not a fan of that, maybe I should change."

i think the thing is that politicians seldom (if ever) say, "you know, i thought X, but now think Y because" and then explain how they got there.

but instead we get "perhaps I didn’t convey it appropriately."

juan_galto · Dec 2, 2014

smokey0118 said:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/11/26/Carson-Cops-Could-Be-Trained-to-Shoot-For-The-Legs/

So I'll just leave this here and continue to be skeptical of carson's support of the 2A and defense as a whole.

This is exactly why candidates from outside politics are rarely electable. In one short statement, Carson puts himself in a political no-win stinkhole. Either side--conservative candidates running against Carson as well as liberals appealing for the black vote--can use this to undermine Carson's candidacy.

Dumb, dumb, dumb statement.

Separately, Carson is right to question certain firearms in certain locations. Think .50 BMGs in Baltimore, not AR-15s. I'm not saying they should be banned--I'm just saying he has a point.

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