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  • rambling_one

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 19, 2007
    6,725
    Bowie, MD
    My State Senator is am man I have known, for much of my life. We a members of the same church. He is a Democrat, but seemed a very reasonable person. He is a Veteran, and received a Bronze Star in Desert Storm. When FSA2013 came about, it was so ridiculous and out there, I thought there was no way he could support it.

    When questioned about why he would support such an abomination, he stated that the "church" wanted him to do so, for victim's rights.

    Your senator is my senator, and our senator on this issue is a disappointment.

    We last spoke at a community meeting that addressed multiple topics, and I took the opportunity to discuss FSA2013 with him. He carried a full auto in theater, and yet insisted the AR-15 is an "assault" weapon. Victims' rights never came up, but a BG going after me or my family makes us every bit a victim thanks to the senator and his ilk.
     

    rambling_one

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 19, 2007
    6,725
    Bowie, MD
    For years, City of University Park Police officers didn't have to attend an academy.

    As well as OC police officers. Of course most were Part Time.

    During a hearing some years ago, the OC Chief of Police appeared before the GA to testify against one of the bills the gun community supported. I asked her specifically about the extent of her officers' training. She was dismissive and noncommittal. From what I heard, the summer crew received a two week orientation before being issued their .357 magnums. Even then I was too old to sign up :).
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
    33,860
    Nice argument... if not for the fact that any training required of the private citizen is woefully short of training that LEOs and Military Members have recieved by the time they leave the boot camp or academy.

    So, the EP argument would fail in court. The weeks of training completed in the academy or boot camp are far greater than the hours required of the private citizen.

    The other side of that is that LEO's and military, unlike citizens who want to exercise their rights, aren't burdened with having to pay out-of-pocket for their own training. In fact, the former two groups are paid to take the training as part of their job.

    Why not take the position that if the government is going to accept LEO and military training, it should offer free training for private citizens, too, to make it equal for all?

    As a compromise, maybe we could settle for just the basics instead of weeks of military or LEO training. On second thought, why compromise? Does the Left? No.
     

    webb297

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 29, 2010
    2,800
    Bowie
    That would be Doug, right? He seems to be a decent guy, but he tends to cloister himself with interest groups. I once asked him when he would throw a town hall so we could discuss issues like taxes and 2A. He came back with an HOA meeting in Mitchellville.

    I think he sold out. :mad54:

    Yes, a decent guy he is. But, I will never vote for him, or do anything to assist in his public "service" endeavors ever again.

    He also convinced me that there is no such thing as a Democrat politician that will make their minds up based on what is right, and not what his party wants him/her to do.

    I originally changed to a Democrat, because I believed he was a good Man, who wanted to do good things for our community, and he could use some help in the primary, and community support. I remain a Democrat, for VERY different reasons ;).

    I truly believe he got into politics for the right reasons, but then he became a Democrat politician, no longer his own man. I am not sure if that is the official definition of selling out, but I can not think of a better one right now so.....
     
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    ar154u

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    Dec 23, 2015
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    do we really know the extent to which a police officer is trained in firearms? We know they get some class time followed by some range time, but how much class time and how much range time? They do get " shoot don't shoot " scenario training, but we don't know how much. I will say that there are a lot of citizens who enjoy shooting at the range for both fun and proficiency and I could say that those people are more proficient shooters than police. I know some police officers who have told me that the only time they shoot a gun is when they qualify for their job each year. I think that when we think of police training we take it to the highest level like swat training and it just isn't so. We buy into that and so do judges.
     

    dist1646

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    May 1, 2012
    8,758
    Eldersburg
    Even the most minimal of military training is still far more than that which is required of Maryland citizens for the HQL.

    My biggest bitch about the requirement is simple... IF Maryland is going to require the training... Then they should provide it at cost to all who wish to avail themselves of it. And a certificate should be given to those who pass the training, stating that they have succeeded and are certified by the MDSP.

    RoadDawg, Something that I had almost forgotten about came to mind last night. Remember when the army asked for civilian help in marksmanship training? Back around 2004, the army asked civilians for help in training their squad designated marksmen. The army simply did not have enough qualified instructors at the time to do the job. They asked for civilian volunteers to help in training their squad designated marksmen. They asked for those civilians who had experience in shooting at longer distances than service members were normally trained at. Specifically, they requested those who had obtained the Distinguished Rifleman Badge and/or high master classification in across the course shooting. Even though I did not participate, due to their quota of necessary personnel being met, I should have remembered this sooner since I am a Distinguished Rifleman and high master class shooter. :D
     

    Sleepy

    Active Member
    Jan 19, 2013
    139
    That would make an interesting exhibit as would the guesses. I have never quite understood how any rational individual could determine the AR 15 is bad but the mini 14 is good.

    Or that the AR-10 is good but the M1A bad.
     

    ar154u

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    Don't give them any ideas! They probably don't know about the M110 yet, or they would be saying that the AR-10 is evil too!

    We should ask murder victims who were shot if they care what they were shot and killed with. Is it more " manly " to be shot and killed with a 40 caliber or 22 caliber pistol? Is it more manly to be shot and killed with an AR15 or 22 long rifle? Dead is dead. Let's ask murder victims who were stabbed to death if it is more manly to be stabbed by a 10 inch butchers knife or 4 inch pen knife? I never understood the logic of banning anything. Human beings will find ways to kill. Look at prisons. The most secure, yet prisoners find ways of making weapons with materials that normally are safe. A handle from a plastic cup that the prison gives you can be removed, sharpened, and turned into a shank. Logic never enters their minds; only control over law abiding citizens at all costs is in their minds.
     

    fred333

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    Dec 20, 2013
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    Or that the AR-10 is good but the M1A bad.

    ....unless it was manufactured in communist China, which makes it good.:sad20:

    Let's see....the state rationalizes the prohibition of an iconic American rifle while ignoring a Chinese copy; we've got a Muslim-leaning pseudo-socialist ninny living in the White House; an open socialist running for president (along with a closet socialist that may soon be indicted on unrelated charges); and I could go on and on. See a pattern?
     

    Dingo3

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    Apr 4, 2013
    2,777
    Fredneck
    We should ask murder victims who were shot if they care what they were shot and killed with. Is it more " manly " to be shot and killed with a 40 caliber or 22 caliber pistol? Is it more manly to be shot and killed with an AR15 or 22 long rifle? Dead is dead. Let's ask murder victims who were stabbed to death if it is more manly to be stabbed by a 10 inch butchers knife or 4 inch pen knife? I never understood the logic of banning anything. Human beings will find ways to kill. Look at prisons. The most secure, yet prisoners find ways of making weapons with materials that normally are safe. A handle from a plastic cup that the prison gives you can be removed, sharpened, and turned into a shank. Logic never enters their minds; only control over law abiding citizens at all costs is in their minds.

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    moojersey

    Sic Semper Tyrannis
    Sep 7, 2013
    3,006
    Cecil County
    Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out if this has any immediate impact here in Maryland. I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but I've read at least the first few.

    I'm not seeing if this means there will be a period where we can buy stuff we could not previously. i.e. M1A, non hbar, etc.

    If I remember from previous court stuff doesn't there have to be a 'stay' so Frosh can appeal?
     

    MDFF2008

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    Aug 12, 2008
    24,735
    Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out if this has any immediate impact here in Maryland. I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but I've read at least the first few.

    I'm not seeing if this means there will be a period where we can buy stuff we could not previously. i.e. M1A, non hbar, etc.

    If I remember from previous court stuff doesn't there have to be a 'stay' so Frosh can appeal?

    No immediate changes. The law was not overturned, the 4th just said that the judge used the wrong degree of scrutiny in her decision and vacated her decision and now the case will be reopened knowing the government must meet strict scrutiny.
     

    fred333

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    Dec 20, 2013
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    No immediate changes. The law was not overturned, the 4th just said that the judge used the wrong degree of scrutiny in her decision and vacated her decision and now the case will be reopened knowing the government must meet strict scrutiny.

    It also means that dinkleass judge can't claim the state was correct in banning the AR15—"the most popular rifle in America"—because it is "unusual" (prior to the ban under consideration), which she cited as the reasoning behind her previous decision.

    "Upon review of all the parties’ evidence, the court seriously doubts that the banned assault long guns are commonly possessed for lawful purposes, particularly self-defense in the home, which is at the core of the Second Amendment right, and is inclined to find the weapons fall outside Second Amendment protection as dangerous and unusual." —Judge Catherine C. Blake

    Oy veh.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,154
    do we really know the extent to which a police officer is trained in firearms? We know they get some class time followed by some range time, but how much class time and how much range time? They do get " shoot don't shoot " scenario training, but we don't know how much. I will say that there are a lot of citizens who enjoy shooting at the range for both fun and proficiency and I could say that those people are more proficient shooters than police. I know some police officers who have told me that the only time they shoot a gun is when they qualify for their job each year. I think that when we think of police training we take it to the highest level like swat training and it just isn't so. We buy into that and so do judges.

    I have been told by a LEO Firearms Trainer that some of them really struggle with qualification. In addition the average recreational shooter on this forum probably shoots more rounds in a year than some LEO's shoot in a whole career.
     

    ras_oscar

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 23, 2014
    1,666
    do we really know the extent to which a police officer is trained in firearms? We know they get some class time followed by some range time, but how much class time and how much range time? They do get " shoot don't shoot " scenario training, but we don't know how much. I will say that there are a lot of citizens who enjoy shooting at the range for both fun and proficiency and I could say that those people are more proficient shooters than police. I know some police officers who have told me that the only time they shoot a gun is when they qualify for their job each year. I think that when we think of police training we take it to the highest level like swat training and it just isn't so. We buy into that and so do judges.

    See this link for a summary description of the MSP training requirements. High school diploma plus six months academy = MSP.

    http://mdsp.maryland.gov/careers/pages/training.aspx

    Firearms training is 2 weeks out of 26 or 7% of the curriculum.
     

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