I am pretty sure the USSS qualifies quarterly (4x a year), not monthly.
"Two to the chest, one to the head" Really?
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I am pretty sure the USSS qualifies quarterly (4x a year), not monthly.
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As former active duty Marine, I was selected and served with the Fleet Anti-terrorist Security Team or FAST company. We trained extensively with everything from M9s, Mp5 sub guns(suppressed and not), Mossberg 12gauges, M16a2 (with M203), and scoped M1a and M40A1 rifles. We also trained on heavy weapons of every kind. One platoon = one company of any regular marine unit as far as firepower is concerned. As far as "two to the chest one to the head" is concerned, that was "our failure to stop" drill and a monthly training exercise that we did it to the point of muscle memory at ranges from 15 meters to 5 feet where we would clear the thigh rig and rotate the gun toward the target and more or less hip shoot one handed. Not everyone got it down to muscle memory but then again not everyone was CQB qualified either. Two to the chest one to the head is a low percentage situation in traffic stop scenarios but when dealing with terrorists the rules of engagement are different and wounding is not really an option.
As former active duty Marine, I was selected and served with the Fleet Anti-terrorist Security Team or FAST company. We trained extensively with everything from M9s, Mp5 sub guns(suppressed and not), Mossberg 12gauges, M16a2 (with M203), and scoped M1a and M40A1 rifles. We also trained on heavy weapons of every kind. One platoon = one company of any regular marine unit as far as firepower is concerned. As far as "two to the chest one to the head" is concerned, that was "our failure to stop" drill and a monthly training exercise that we did it to the point of muscle memory at ranges from 15 meters to 5 feet where we would clear the thigh rig and rotate the gun toward the target and more or less hip shoot one handed. Not everyone got it down to muscle memory but then again not everyone was CQB qualified either. Two to the chest one to the head is a low percentage situation in traffic stop scenarios but when dealing with terrorists the rules of engagement are different and wounding is not really an option.
I know it is part of my work scenario and we train it on the range. Depending on a persons position, it has a place. As far as civilian training, I think it is a good drill to teach either a controlled pair or double tap with the head shot follow up. Or a "controlled triple" if you will 
from behind cover.
Are you saying that there is no need for controlled shots or that nobody can keep cool enough to make those shots?
ProShooter
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and what do you base this statement on?
Just so we know what a controlled pair is, my friend George explains it here.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGAtgqAEnM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGAtgqAEnM0
It is good to see Wehby doing good
I told you he is the host of Guns and Ammo's Personal Defense TV on the Sportsman's channel, right?
We might be setting something up for MD here this year.
Well and that back massage he was giving you on the floor in the dorm. GODDAMN that was funny.
ProShooter
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It was the desert.... I was lonely... and sore.... and then there was that penguin
That opening line probably deserves a thread of its own...
It really was truly priceless. If I ever meet you, the story in person is priceless.
I think I have it on my other laptop. I'll check later when I fire it up.
After taking your Tac-1 pistol at Freestate and participating in the force-on-force exercise...I laugh everytime I hear someone say "2 in the chest, 1 in the head." I have no formal training beyond that, therefore my reaction would be to point in the general direction and keep shooting until I'm either empty or dead.
Kilroy
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- Jul 27, 2011
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This right here. Range exercises are cool, but what if the target is shooting back and running laterally to you? What if it's dark and the baddie is behind cover? What if you're on the ground with a sprained ankle and the bad guy is running up to you while shooting?
Time and place for everything. Question is..... what will he do when I am coming towards him closing the gap, shortening the distance, disrupting his loop, because there is no cover.
This can be what if'd all day long. Empty all your mags into a threat? That's fine if that's your thing. Some people don't train for years emptying full mags. I am not wasting all my ammo on one thug and leaving myself defenseless against maybe other threats.
You take your center mass shots. They bend over ( and not fall back like in the movies) and you are presented with the top of a head. That is a head shot. " one to the head" doesn't always mean the face.
The first and biggest hurdle is whether a person would react and do any shooting in the first place. Let's get past that step first
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