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  • a1911guy

    Member
    Jul 24, 2013
    86
    Glen Burnie
    Armatix iP1 is one ugly looking gun. Finally something that makes a glock look sexy.
     

    Minuteman

    Member
    BANNED!!!
    Now I don't know which gun shop is more controversial / more black sheep:

    Ares Armor

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    or

    Engage Armament.

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    I think I like them both equally!
     
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    ironpony

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    7,189
    Davidsonville
    Short version.

    WaPo did a hit piece and effectively made Andy and EA into pariahs in the eyes of the 2A community for something that didn't happen and the WaPo twisted to suit it's agenda.

    Andy posted a vid and said some things to refute the things that the WaPo said, and had one hell of a good rant.

    After Andy posted said vid, the WaPo changed the byline and the story to reflect that after getting death threats he had changed his mind. Unfortunately, he never stocked, nor sold the guns in the first place. Therefore, the stories were misleading and full of inaccurate info.

    Pretty much the MSM demonizing gun stores for something and instead of issuing a retraction, they do this to cover their ass. Andy is still feeling the fall out and the heat from the BS that the WaPo did.

    Thanks, I figured it was something goofy, I hope Andy is not letting this bother him.
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2013
    33,860
    Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms -- covered nearly all of BATFE's jurisdiction in one video. Who does he think he is -- Clint Eastwood? :party29:

    I, for one, am deeply offended that Andy was smoking a cigarette during his video tirade. For God's sake, man, don't you know that children might be watching?

    Some youngster might look up to you and pick up the nasty habit as a result of your disgusting example. I saw how deeply you dragged on that thing and how much you enjoyed it.

    This is Maryland, dude. At least have the good sense to be smoking a joint on camera, rather than a cigarette.

    Now, that would be cool. The headlines would be positive: "Pot Smoking Gun Dealer Leads His Culture Into The New Millennium." :innocent6:
     

    Baccusboy

    Teecha, teecha
    Oct 10, 2010
    13,879
    Seoul
    If you can create a smart gun, you can easily create a shut-off system that can be controlled from a central (gov't) location.
     

    pbharvey

    Habitual Testifier
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 27, 2012
    30,153
    If you can create a smart gun, you can easily create a shut-off system that can be controlled from a central (gov't) location.

    Imagine sending a signal to shut down the guns at the Bundy Ranch.
    If they can institute a no fly zone they can institute a no shoot zone.
     

    Tyeraxus

    Ultimate Member
    May 15, 2012
    1,165
    East Tennessee
    I am a responsible gun owner and I also am responsible with guns in my home with children.I do not need someone dictating nor mandating technology to prevent your so called accidental exakples.

    There are evil people in this world that will always do evil things no matter what. No technology will prevent that.

    Should I also link to you stories of children saving their parents/sibilings with dads gun?

    You may not need it. I sincerely doubt that many of us here need it. But what about a fence-sitter who has been out once or twice and is thinking about a range toy, but has been scared stiff by the Anti-rights propaganda about kids finding guns and immediately shooting themselves? This might be the ONLY firearm they'd buy. We all know the best way to flip an Anti-gunner to the Pro-rights side is to take them shooting, let them see how fun it is, and make them want one of their own.

    It's the politicians who want to use this technology to advance their anti-rights agenda that are the problem, not the technology itself. But I'm with the doc on this one - they don't NEED an excuse, they're going to do what they want to push their agenda regardless.
     

    501st

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 16, 2011
    1,627
    You may not need it. I sincerely doubt that many of us here need it. But what about a fence-sitter who has been out once or twice and is thinking about a range toy, but has been scared stiff by the Anti-rights propaganda about kids finding guns and immediately shooting themselves? This might be the ONLY firearm they'd buy. We all know the best way to flip an Anti-gunner to the Pro-rights side is to take them shooting, let them see how fun it is, and make them want one of their own.

    It's the politicians who want to use this technology to advance their anti-rights agenda that are the problem, not the technology itself. But I'm with the doc on this one - they don't NEED an excuse, they're going to do what they want to push their agenda regardless.

    Lets do a quick hypothetical.

    Somebody who is considering this and has at least ~$1800 to lay down.

    Swap out this smart gun with an M&P .22. Lets put it at ~$400. That leaves $1400 that could be spent on a safe for the pistol. Or 1 safe for the pistol and secondary "secure" storage for ammunition. Not to mention you could always have a secondary lock on the pistol while it is in the safe.

    Would that not be better than $1800 spent on a smartgun and no safe at all?
     

    Huckleberry

    No One of Consequence
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 19, 2007
    23,306
    Severn & Lewes
    Smart Guns, Breathalyzer Interlocks on all cars, Remote Commanded Vehicle Shutdown, Cell Phone Autonomous GPS tracking, NSA Internet Tracking

    You can have your technology but I'll keep my privacy if you don't mind
     

    jpo183

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    4,116
    in Maryland
    You may not need it. I sincerely doubt that many of us here need it. But what about a fence-sitter who has been out once or twice and is thinking about a range toy, but has been scared stiff by the Anti-rights propaganda about kids finding guns and immediately shooting themselves? This might be the ONLY firearm they'd buy. We all know the best way to flip an Anti-gunner to the Pro-rights side is to take them shooting, let them see how fun it is, and make them want one of their own.

    It's the politicians who want to use this technology to advance their anti-rights agenda that are the problem, not the technology itself. But I'm with the doc on this one - they don't NEED an excuse, they're going to do what they want to push their agenda regardless.

    Purchasing a gun comes with resplnsibilities just like anything in life. Your argument could be made for any purchase hence why I denounce this argument.

    Gun safety is really not that hard. Again fence sitters should be won by professional respectful citizens, not technology.
     

    jpo183

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    4,116
    in Maryland
    Lets do a quick hypothetical.

    Somebody who is considering this and has at least ~$1800 to lay down.

    Swap out this smart gun with an M&P .22. Lets put it at ~$400. That leaves $1400 that could be spent on a safe for the pistol. Or 1 safe for the pistol and secondary "secure" storage for ammunition. Not to mention you could always have a secondary lock on the pistol while it is in the safe.

    Would that not be better than $1800 spent on a smartgun and no safe at all?

    :thumbsup:
     

    FPL53

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 4, 2013
    2,693
    Frederick
    If you can create a smart gun, you can easily create a shut-off system that can be controlled from a central (gov't) location.

    Exactly. The government can shut down an electrical grid, cellular service and they can also shut down the civilian side of GPS. If the SHTF ever really does happen there is no way I'd want to be a sitting duck. The other issue with the smart gun is that it's a .22, good luck getting ammo!
     

    Tyeraxus

    Ultimate Member
    May 15, 2012
    1,165
    East Tennessee
    Lets do a quick hypothetical.

    Somebody who is considering this and has at least ~$1800 to lay down.

    Swap out this smart gun with an M&P .22. Lets put it at ~$400. That leaves $1400 that could be spent on a safe for the pistol. Or 1 safe for the pistol and secondary "secure" storage for ammunition. Not to mention you could always have a secondary lock on the pistol while it is in the safe.

    Would that not be better than $1800 spent on a smartgun and no safe at all?

    I never said there weren't better options. I'm talking about people in urban areas that are thinking about getting into shooting, but have been brainwashed into being scared stiff that their kid is going to find it and shoot themselves. Yeah, a safe is a good investment, but maybe they don't have the space, maybe they don't want their wife/husband/partner to see the safe and know they bought a gun, or whatever. I'm not talking about the vast majority of gun buyers, I'm talking a very niche market here - but maybe larger than we think in the DC/Balto corridor. Yes, a normal gun and a safe is likely the best decision (but I make no claim to know anybody else's utility curve - that particular hubris is reserved for socialist central planners), but if they're emotionally opposed to a regular gun, I'd rather than buy a "smartgun" than no gun.

    jpo183 said:
    Purchasing a gun comes with resplnsibilities just like anything in life. Your argument could be made for any purchase hence why I denounce this argument.

    100% honest here, I don't understand what you're saying in relation to what you're saying (maybe because I didn't explain my position very well leading to a communications disconnect). Can you walk me through it, please?
     

    SWO Daddy

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 18, 2011
    2,468
    Imagine sending a signal to shut down the guns at the Bundy Ranch.
    If they can institute a no fly zone they can institute a no shoot zone.

    Even better - unless you have a CCW, your gun will only operate on your property. It could work just like the ankle bracelets...
     

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