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  • wolfwood

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 24, 2011
    1,361
    Commonwealth v. Caetano

    Basically homeless guy owns a stun gun for self defenese and gets popped. Mass. in all its wisdom criminalizes their mere possession. He is convicted in the trial court and appeals directly to the Mass Supreme Court.



    This Court has solicited amicus briefs on the following two questions:

    Whether G. L. ch. 140, s. 131J, which criminalizes the private possession of so-called stun guns, infringes on the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as defined by the Supreme Court’s Heller and McDonald decisions.
    Whether, and how, the Second Amendment protection applies outside one’s home in the case of a homeless person.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ght-to-own-and-carry-a-stun-in-massachusetts/

    Case Docket: (Available at http://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/search_number.php?dno=SJC-11718&get=Search)

    SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT
    for the Commonwealth
    Case Docket

    COMMONWEALTH vs. JAIME CAETANO
    SJC-11718

    CASE HEADER
    Case Status Blue brief(s) filed, awaiting red Status Date 08/22/2014
    Nature Crime: Possession of Gun Entry Date 07/17/2014
    Appellant Defendant Case Type Criminal
    Brief Status Awaiting red brief Brief Due 11/10/2014
    Quorum

    AC/SJ Number 2014-P-0105 Citation
    DAR/FAR Number DAR-22613 Lower Ct Number
    Lower Court Framingham District, MI Lower Ct Judge Robert V. Greco, J.
    Route to SJC Direct Appellate Review

    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
    Transcripts received: 3 volumes, 2 sets (on CD and papers). Transcripts dates: 6/4/13, 7/10/13 and 9/26/13.

    INVOLVED PARTY

    Commonwealth
    Plaintiff/Appellee
    Awaiting red brief
    1 Extension, 42 Days
    James W. Sahakian, A.D.A.
    Michael Albert Kaneb, A.D.A.

    Jaime Caetano
    Defendant/Appellant
    Blue brief & appendix filed
    1 Extension, 23 Days
    Benjamin H. Keehn, Esquire
    Arming Women Ahainst Rape and En

    Amicus
    Amicus brief filed

    Lisa J. Steele, Esquire
    Eugene Volokh
    Out-of-state counsel for amicus

    Michael E. Rosman
    Out-of-state counsel for amicus

    DOCKET ENTRIES
    Entry Date Paper Entry Text
    07/17/2014 #1 Entered. Notice to counsel.
    07/17/2014 Transferred from Appeals Court: None. No briefs filed in Appeals Court.
    07/18/2014 #2 ANNOUNCEMENT: The Justices are soliciting amicus briefs. Whether G. L. c. 140, § 131J, which criminalizes the private possession of so-called stun guns, infringes on the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as defined by the Supreme Court's Heller and McDonald decisions; whether, and how, the Second Amendment protection applies outside one's home in the case of a homeless person.
    07/21/2014 #3 MOTION to extend to 08/29/2014 filing of brief of Jaime Caetano by Benjamin H. Keehn, Esquire. (ALLOWED to August 29, 2014)
    08/22/2014 #4 SERVICE of brief & appendix for Defendant/Appellant Jaime Caetano by Benjamin H. Keehn.
    09/02/2014 #5 MOTION TO FILE AMICUS BRIEF filed for Arming Women Against Rape and Endangerment by Lisa J. Steele, Esquire. (ALLOWED)
    09/02/2014 #6 SERVICE of amicus brief for Amicus Arming Women Against Rape and Endangerment by Lisa J. Steele.
    09/05/2014 #7 MOTION to extend to 11/10/2014 filing of brief of Commonwealth by Michael A. Kaneb, A.D.A. (ALLOWED to November 10, 2014)
    09/08/2014 #8 Service of Substitute Brief and Record Appendix for the Defendant by Denjamin H. Keehn, Esquire.[/
     

    Boxcab

    MSI EM
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 22, 2007
    7,915
    AA County
    Interesting case. Let's see if they can come up with a way to say the homeless person does not have a right to self defense.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Very interesting angle involved here. This will be interesting how they wrangle arms outside the home here. Any ruling along the lines of allowing a stun gun (defined as an arm) outside the home will have an immediate translation from 'non-lethal' arms to all other types of arms.
     

    wolfwood

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 24, 2011
    1,361
    Very interesting angle involved here. This will be interesting how they wrangle arms outside the home here. Any ruling along the lines of allowing a stun gun (defined as an arm) outside the home will have an immediate translation from 'non-lethal' arms to all other types of arms.

    Maybe Michigan Appeals Court already held a stun gun is protected is protected in 2012.
     

    Verbotene

    Lurker Supreme
    Feb 27, 2012
    432
    Very interesting argument.

    Either a man is stripped of his rights for not owning a home, or the Second Amendment must extend beyond.

    I'll be watching this closely.
     

    ryan_j

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 6, 2013
    2,264
    Very interesting argument.



    Either a man is stripped of his rights for not owning a home, or the Second Amendment must extend beyond.



    I'll be watching this closely.


    A home bound 2nd amendment should and would never stand.
     

    Knuckle Dragger

    Active Member
    May 7, 2012
    213
    There are three interesting angles to this case, BTW, the defendeant is a woman, not a man.

    1) we have the standard 2A outside the home issue
    2) we have the stun gun issue possession of which is illegal in MA except for police
    3) we have the homeless issue, although I'm not sure it will come up.

    Possession of any firearm requires a license issued by the police in one's town of residence. What does a homeless person who doesn't have a residence do?
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Eugene Volokh & others of Arming Women Against Rape & Endangerment (AWARE) submitted an Amicus in support last week.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ght-to-own-and-carry-a-stun-in-massachusetts/

    Eugene Volokh said:
    I’m delighted to report that Michael Rosman and Michelle Scott of the Center for Individual Rights, Lisa Steele of AWARE (Arming Women Against Rape & Endangerment), and I have filed an amicus brief on behalf of AWARE in Commonwealth v. Caetano, a Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court case dealing with the Second Amendment and stun guns.

    The Amicus:
    http://www.cir-usa.org/legal_docs/caetano_amicus_brief.pdf
     

    wjackcooper

    Active Member
    Feb 9, 2011
    689
    Seems to me, admittedly based on a quick reading, a final ruling in favor of Caetano might result in a number of states passing o.k. to “bear” legislation restricting the permissible “arm” to a “non-lethal” weapon.

    Regards
    Jack
     
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    777GSOTB

    Active Member
    Mar 23, 2014
    363
    Nice case...And it seems as though the attorney filing this Amicus Curiae is smarter than Alan Gura.

    JAIME CAETANO,
    Appellant,
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS,
    Appellee.

    BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE OF ARMING WOMEN AGAINST RAPE & ENDANGERMENT


    " Moreover, the Court’s identifying as “presumptively lawful” a ban on carrying “in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings” and a ban on “concealed carry,” Heller, 554 U.S. at 626-27 & n.26, implicitly recognizes that open carrying in other public places would be protected. Any mention of concealed carrying and carrying in sensitive places would have been superfluous if the Second Amendment were limited to the home. "
     

    Maestro Pistolero

    Active Member
    Mar 20, 2012
    876
    Nice case...And it seems as though the attorney filing this Amicus Curiae is smarter than Alan Gura.

    JAIME CAETANO,
    Appellant,
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS,
    Appellee.

    BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE OF ARMING WOMEN AGAINST RAPE & ENDANGERMENT


    " Moreover, the Court’s identifying as “presumptively lawful” a ban on carrying “in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings” and a ban on “concealed carry,” Heller, 554 U.S. at 626-27 & n.26, implicitly recognizes that open carrying in other public places would be protected. Any mention of concealed carrying and carrying in sensitive places would have been superfluous if the Second Amendment were limited to the home. "

    Care to substantiate your assertion about Alan Gura? Please name me one attorney who has carried the cause of the Second Amendment further or more substantially...
     

    nedsurf

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 8, 2013
    2,204
    Very interesting argument.

    Either a man is stripped of his rights for not owning a home, or the Second Amendment must extend beyond.

    I'll be watching this closely.

    This is GREAT vehicle for outside the home.

    I never though of this angle of rights of homeless citizens. Tie an enumerated right to having a home reeks of rights only for "landed gentry". Hope amicus briefs come from everyone on this. This could get us beyond what Heller has carved out.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,286
    I like the emphasis on arms meaning all types of arms both offensive and defensive (includes body armor) and arms of "convenience" (kitchen knives, baseball bats, pocket knives) because it makes it much harder to craft legislation that bans some arms but not all arms.
     

    Patrick

    MSI Executive Member
    Apr 26, 2009
    7,725
    Calvert County
    Hell, we debated this scenario back in 2010 - post McDonald - but wrt an actual firearm. I wish my MDS search-fu were strong enough to find it.

    Can MSI just file an amicus by asking the court to read an old MDS thread, even if the admins remove references to great hair and bad horses? :)
     

    Patrick

    MSI Executive Member
    Apr 26, 2009
    7,725
    Calvert County
    This seems like it could be a very good vehicle for outside the home.
    No need to reach the public carry question, at all, because once the stun ban is found unconstitutional, there are no other laws she could have broken.

    Amici note that the court does not need to reach the public carry question. They argue that the complete ban on stun guns for non-governmental protection - in all places, at all times - is facially unconstitutional. Because there are no explicit bans on carrying a stun gun in public (none are allowed, so it follows that no regulation exists to regulate the carriage of them), ruling against the complete stun gun ban effectively absolves Caetano of the accused crime.

    So the court could easily escape the public carry question, if they chose. Should Mass try to regulate stun guns like guns - license, etc. - then that would be another issue to litigate in the future. But for now, this is more a Heller-esque (or Parker/Palmer) where a complete ban is at stake.
     

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