CSA VZ58 (5.56) gen2 mag -vs- Magpul MOE Gen2

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  • Wayne1one

    gun aficionado
    Feb 13, 2011
    3,127
    Bowie, MD
    Okay here is a little back ground on why this video was made. The good folks over at CzechPoint USA posted a few pics of their semi transparent polycarbonate, TARFLON IR2500 5.56 magazines on Facebook. Well the magazines really got alot of attention after CzechPoint stated the mag could beat out Magpuls PMAG in a drop test. Everyone wanted to see the video, but slight problem, there was no video. Well that's where I came in, CzechPoint USA donated 2 mags and I donated the PMAGS for the test. Here are the results after three drops at 6ft. This is not a scientific test, just seeing if I could get the results that CzechPoint USA claimed, enjoy...

     

    tommy gunn

    Active Member
    Apr 7, 2012
    813
    calvert county
    Nice speed loading at the beginning. Come to the range with me and load my mags for me. :) L.O.L. Seriously tho thanks for the vid. I'll deffinately try not to drop my pmags any time soon.
     

    PowPow

    Where's the beef?
    Nov 22, 2012
    4,712
    Howard County
    Thanks I am planning on doing a follow up just to see what will break the CSA mag. Got plans to do a little freezing, heat, and a little crushing (by way of car tire)!! :D

    Use it as a range target (empty). Start with 10 rds of .22LR at 50 yds. Move up in caliber; wash, rinse, repeat until it goes boom. Sorry - still thinking demolition after the Duffy's MG shoot yesterday. :)
     

    amoebicmagician

    Samopal Goblin
    Dec 26, 2012
    4,174
    Columbia, MD
    The fact that you were willing to damage and in this case it turned out functionally destroy your pmag (which let's face it are a pain in the ass at best to get these days) is a measure of commitment I'd like you to know I appreciate very much.

    I've been on the fence about these mags for awhile. I was itching for a 7.62x39 offering for my VZs until I decided to really brutalize my aluminum mags in earnest and found them to be EXTREMELY resilient- other than the baked on finish that is.

    Anyways, thanks!
     

    lsw

    לא לדרוך עליי
    Sep 2, 2013
    1,975
    Some polycarbonates are affected by oil & solvents. I'd be interested in seeing if these mags can be damaged by any common gun oils or cleaning solvents. This is from a polycarbonate plastic distributor's info sheet, sorry about the poor line breaks and hyphenation, it was copied from a pdf file.

    Lexan polycarbonate sheet has a good chemical resistance, at
    room temperature, to a variety of dilute organic and
    inorganic acids. Water, vegetable oils, solutions of neut
    ral salts, aliphatic hydrocarbons and alcohols are also
    included in this category. When polycarbonate sheet is attack
    ed by a chemical it usually takes one of three forms.
    In the first case the chemical is abs
    orbed into the plastic, and plasticisation
    and/or crystallisation occurs. The visible
    signs of this type of attack are swelling or surface whit
    ening. Lexan polycarbonate is affected in this way by partial
    solvents such as low molecular weight aldehydes and
    ethers, ketones, esters,
    aromatic hydrocarbons and
    perchlorinated hydrocarbons.
    In addition, chemical attack ranging from partial to comp
    lete destruction of Lexan polyca
    rbonate occurs in contact
    with alkalines, alkali salts, amines and high ozone concentrations.
    The third type of attack is often the most difficult to pr
    edict since environmental conditi
    ons dictate whether or not
    the plastic will be affected. Combinations of certai
    n environments, coupled with
    stress and/or strain upon the
    material, cause stress cracking or crazing of the polyca
    rbonate sheet. Crazing can be induced at moderate to high
    stress levels by low molecular weight hydrocarbons
    . Products such as acetone and xylene may cause stress
    cracking even at very low stress le
    vels and should therefore be avoided
     

    Wayne1one

    gun aficionado
    Feb 13, 2011
    3,127
    Bowie, MD
    The fact that you were willing to damage and in this case it turned out functionally destroy your pmag (which let's face it are a pain in the ass at best to get these days) is a measure of commitment I'd like you to know I appreciate very much.

    I've been on the fence about these mags for awhile. I was itching for a 7.62x39 offering for my VZs until I decided to really brutalize my aluminum mags in earnest and found them to be EXTREMELY resilient- other than the baked on finish that is.

    Anyways, thanks!

    Cool - thanks for posting it Wayne1one.

    No problem! I had a good time doing this, felt like I was conducting a science experiment. Glad this information could help some folks in their future purchases especially since the VZ has been adopted as Maryland's pseudo AK47 rifle. Here is a closeup of the failed PMAG (which by the way I have a ton of and still love, I just won't be dropping them off of my head three times).



     

    Wayne1one

    gun aficionado
    Feb 13, 2011
    3,127
    Bowie, MD
    I'd like to see how it fares against the Gen 3 PMags.

    I didn't feel like destroying one of those yet.. I have a feeling that it would have similar results, the Gen M3 feed lip area has not really changed, other improvements have been made but none to the areas where the Gen M2 broke.
     

    mtel

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 21, 2012
    1,071
    Virginia
    That CSA mag is surprising. Their transparent poly is resilient stuff.

    Thanks for the pmag sacrifice to carry this out. :thumbsup:
     

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