1000 Government jobs leaving for Virginia

USAFRavenR6 · Oct 15, 2014

LoneRanger said:
I understand that at the end of the day government contractors are paid by the taxpayers.

During my career I have been involved with both government agencies and government contractors.....I'm not sure which wastes more taxpayer dollars.

If you rely on taxpayer dollars to exist you are a government worker. Bechtel made something like 39 billion dollars last year. They like to tout that their largest divisions are civil engineering projects and government services. Both pretty much funded by taxpayer dollars across the world.

If the United Sates is to survive, government spending needs to be vastly reduced across the board. That includes government contracts....we have to stop paying companies like Bechtel to design and build bridges to nowhere....

I'm sure that is not a popular opinion in this part of the country as it seems majority of the people here exist off of the taxpayers......

Bottom line is that if there were no contractors (private sector) making the work happen, the government would shut down as it is incapable of sustaining itself. Tax payer money being used is not relevant to this conversation as these are lots of private sector jobs being moved which directly impacts out back yards.

What you don't understand is that just because someone works for a government contractor company, such as Bechtel or General Dynamics, they are not directly billing the government. Its called direct and indirect labor. From the sounds of Bechtel's mission, these offices/workers are indirect labor employees, meaning they are coming out of Bechtels profits, not from tax payer related funds.

again, you cant say you want to get rid of all contractors as well as government employees as no one will be left to do the work. It does not go both ways.

USAFRavenR6 · Oct 15, 2014

Also, contractors can not "waste" tax payer money. As a contractor myself, I have 0 control over taxpayer money. That is solely in the hands of the government. The government identifies the need for work to be awarded as well as supporting elements being purchased to accomplish the mission. As a contractor, I bid on those jobs and staff as needed until the contract is complete. At no time am I ever in or allowed to make decisions pertaining to government funds.

Your experiences pertaining to government contracting is minimal based on the statements made and I can give you the 101 if really desired.

K-Romulus · Oct 15, 2014

whistlersmother said:
Brown's campaign could not be reached. Too busy crafting the next hit piece about guns...

Now THAT was funny, in a sad way

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LoneRanger · Oct 15, 2014

USAFRavenR6 said:
Also, contractors can not "waste" tax payer money. As a contractor myself, I have 0 control over taxpayer money. That is solely in the hands of the government. The government identifies the need for work to be awarded as well as supporting elements being purchased to accomplish the mission. As a contractor, I bid on those jobs and staff as needed until the contract is complete. At no time am I ever in or allowed to make decisions pertaining to government funds.

Your experiences pertaining to government contracting is minimal based on the statements made and I can give you the 101 if really desired.

No waste, then you would be the exception. My firm bid on a job almost 4 years ago, won the bid and were paid that year so the budget money could be used up....we are still waiting approval to do the job. It appears we will never do the job as the manager that requested it has moved on.

I've worked for clients where government jobs are always bid higher than private industry jobs on the hope that their bid will be just low enough to get to win the contract.

I've worked for a client that was owned by a white man but on paper was owned by a black woman...solely to get preferred status...and all this company did was scan RFP's from the government all day, request quotes from suppliers that would drop ship, mark up the product accordingly then respond to the RFP...winning many of them due to their phony, baloney ownership status.

I've also been to many a lunch and dinner that ended up being charged to a government contract...

Not to mention contracts where the contractor pretty much is in control of change orders.

Contractors can and do waste taxpayer dollars.

Minuteman · Oct 15, 2014

Watch this to learn about the most incompetent man in Maryland:

You then have to watch him in real live action:

Then check this out for the rest of the story:

Overboost44 · Oct 15, 2014

Those are great commercials. How come we only see the Brown commercials on TV? I hope these run every hour from here to election day.

BlackBart · Oct 15, 2014

NORVA is already a clusterfluck of traffic jams........... :rolleyes:

Just what the populous needs, more govt leeches to gum up the roads.

fabsroman · Oct 15, 2014

Speed3 said:
Its an option...but unfortunately I work in PA but I could find a job down there for sure. The major issue is moving my oldest, he is a junior in highschool now, and not the most social kid.

Big decisions to make for sure....

Suck it up for 2 years, then move once he is done with high school. Northern Virginia isn't much better than Maryland though. My wife was in Reston when I started dating her 11 years ago and they have some screwed up stuff in that area too.

daNattyFatty · Oct 16, 2014

Overboost44 said:
Those are great commercials. How come we only see the Brown commercials on TV? I hope these run every hour from here to election day.

TV time costs a lot of money. Yes probably saving it for the last week leading up to the election....I hope!

Blaster229 · Oct 16, 2014

Speed3 said:
My wife works for Bechtel...wont be a fun commute.

I did Glen Burnie to Chantilly for about 5 years. If I could have taken zoloft for the stress I would have. Never expect to make plans for dinner before 7 p.m.

Leave at 515 a.m. and easily make it before 6. Leave at 6, get to work at 815/830.
Adhering to a strict guideline leaving for work helps a TON.

God help her.

1BADI5 · Oct 16, 2014

Minuteman - those videos are great

Sundazes · Oct 16, 2014

Blaster229 said:
I did Glen Burnie to Chantilly for about 5 years. If I could have taken zoloft for the stress I would have. Never expect to make plans for dinner before 7 p.m.

Leave at 515 a.m. and easily make it before 6. Leave at 6, get to work at 815/830.
Adhering to a strict guideline leaving for work helps a TON.

God help her.

Don't forget the return trip......

I have been working four the same company for 12 years. The office is in Sterling, I live in Timonium. The last time they tried to make me do that commute everyday, I quit on the spot. That was 5 years ago. When I don't have onsite meetings in that area, I work from home.
I say all this as I ready myself to go to the Pentagon today. Getting there at this time (noonish) will be easy. The trip home, not so much...

Blaster229 · Oct 16, 2014

sundazes said:
Don't forget the return trip....../QUOTE]

That's why I said don't make dinner plans for before 7 p.m.

LoneRanger · Oct 16, 2014

And never work and make that commute the day before Thanksgiving.

mayor_quimby · Oct 16, 2014

Speed3 said:
My wife works for Bechtel...wont be a fun commute.

3 years ago they were grumbling that they were going to move to Virginia . I assumed they were waiting on Maryland to come back and do something for them again. Guess Maryland made it clear.

When Northrup Grumman was looking at a new HQ one area they were looking at was off Clopper Road in Montgomery County. They pitted MD and VA in trying to see who gave the better breaks. Guess Maryland made it clear.

Booz Alllen Hamilton has its HQ in Bethesda many years ago. They pitted MD and VA in trying to see who gave the better breaks. Guess Maryland made it clear. They moved to Mclean and then a major portion to Herndon. I worked there about 8 years ago and from the time I worked in Herndon to now its night and day yet I see nothing like that in Maryland.

15-20 years ago remember what Northern Virgina looked like? Look at Mclean now, Reston , Herndon, Leesburg. All those magic jobs on the 270 tech corridor in Maryland are gone or never materialized. In that same time what has Maryland done ? We are a glorified suburb of DC.

Our politicians ( Brown) complain about big business and how they want to help small businesses first. News flash look at northern Virginia . Bring in a few major companies and like magic places like Reston come into being. People want to live close to work, want to go out to eat during lunch, want to go out after work, and that springs a waterfall of events.

Speed3 · Oct 16, 2014

Guessing she can commute on the dulles toll road? Not sure how much that is and if its really worth the cost.

Maybe I buy her a pruis and put a rainbow sticker on it.

The worst part is.... I have a baby coming due in the next couple of weeks, that is added stress to her. I will have to get the kids ready and drop them off at daycare, pick them up, dinner etc. Looks like I will be Mr MOM now.

mayor_quimby · Oct 16, 2014

Speed3 said:
Guessing she can commute on the dulles toll road? Not sure how much that is and if its really worth the cost.

Maybe I buy her a pruis and put a rainbow sticker on it.

The worst part is.... I have a baby coming due in the next couple of weeks, that is added stress to her. I will have to get the kids ready and drop them off at daycare, pick them up, dinner etc. Looks like I will be Mr MOM now.

i think its $3.50 each way on the toll and the drive itself to Reston depending on where you live in Maryland is not easy. I had to fill up on gas every week when doing it but that was when gas was around $2.

Blaster229 · Oct 16, 2014

mayor_quimby said:
i think its $3.50 each way on the toll and the drive itself to Reston depending on where you live in Maryland is not easy. I had to fill up on gas every week when doing it but that was when gas was around $2.

I think she could get the EZ Pass commuter rates?

MDFF2008 · Oct 18, 2014

I wait for the day Underarmor moves. That is what all the Dems I know hold as proof that companies can thrive in Maryland.

When they go it will be Olympus has fallen.

Minuteman · Oct 19, 2014

Olympus is falling.

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