Moving to MD, Can I bring my guns?

ianb1116 · Oct 14, 2014

Hi all-
First post on the forum. I'm moving to the Bel Air, MD area in the coming months as I work at APG and want a shorter commute (currently 1.5 hours from northern DE). Now the most important issue of the move: can I bring my guns without having to modify mags/registrations?
Here's what I have:
(2) AR-15s, one HBAR, one m4 profile
(1) Mosin-Nagant
(1) CZ912 Shotgun
(1) XD45 w/ 13 round mags
(1) FNS-9L with 17 round mags
(1) Savage 111 in .30-06

Thanks in advance everyone! Look forward to meeting all of you!

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

If you owned the AR non HBAR's before Oct 1, 2013, you can bring them.HBAR's no restrictions. You must register them and your handguns with Maryland State Police here:

https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...andRegistration/Registration/NewResident.aspx

Others will give you more details.

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

Howdy. Join the fight.

www.marylandshallissue.org
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jonnyl · Oct 14, 2014

When did you become the owner of the m4 profile AR? If it was after 10/1/13 you'll have a problem. You'll have some registrations to deal with, but no worries on the mags you own now and want to bring. In fact, stock up on mags!!!

Welcome to MD!

ianb1116 · Oct 14, 2014

I did own the non-HBAR AR pre 10/1/13. However, what would the law regarding assembling be? I have a spare m4 profile barrel and spare lower receiver (obviously went through an FFL). Could I build up an AR with the barrel because the lower was purchased before 10/1/13?

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

It doesn't seem to matter to MSP. If you did not possess a completed rifle before Oct 1, 2013, you cannot assemble one now.

Sorry-this is a forked up place when it comes to firearms. MSI is working to try to change that, along with many others.

Topher · Oct 14, 2014

swinokur said:
It doesn't seem to matter to MSP. If you did not possess a completed rifle before Oct 1, 2013, you cannot assemble one now.

Sorry-this is a forked up place when it comes to firearms. MSI is working to try to change that, along with many others.

Are you sure???
I thought if you had a lower prior to 10/1/13 you could assemble it how ever you wanted. Only post 10/1/13 purchases must conform to the HBAR standard.
IANAL - just asking....

Also... I have an FFL friend who went to the last MSP briefing where it was said that you must provide proof that the manufacture of the AR barrel identifies it as a HEAVY barrel. NOT a varmint or a target barrel but HEAVY barrel. It can be on their web site or in product literature. I would print it out and keep a copy.
It used to be that if there was the absence of the "grenade launcher" cut and NON pencil barrel and it was assumed to be a heavy barrel. Not anymore according to the MSP.

Chris

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

Well IANAL, but IIRC if the lower was not assembled into a now banned configuration prior to Oct 1, 2-013, it couldn't be assembled after Oct 1, 2013.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

:rolleyes:

lx1x · Oct 14, 2014

Topher said:
Are you sure???
I thought if you had a lower prior to 10/1/13 you could assemble it how ever you wanted. Only post 10/1/13 purchases must conform to the HBAR standard.
IANAL - just asking....

Also... I have an FFL friend who went to the last MSP briefing where it was said that you must provide proof that the manufacture of the AR barrel identifies it as a HEAVY barrel. NOT a varmint or a target barrel but HEAVY barrel. It can be on their web site or in product literature. I would print it out and keep a copy.
It used to be that if there was the absence of the "grenade launcher" cut and NON pencil barrel and it was assumed to be a heavy barrel. Not anymore according to the MSP.

Chris

lol.. gotta love msp

varmit and target barrels are if not all.. heavy barrels.

dblas · Oct 14, 2014

ianb1116 said:
I did own the non-HBAR AR pre 10/1/13. However, what would the law regarding assembling be? I have a spare m4 profile barrel and spare lower receiver (obviously went through an FFL). Could I build up an AR with the barrel because the lower was purchased before 10/1/13?

Put it together before you move into the state. Since both items were purchased pre 10/1/13, you should be good to go. You will still have to register it though.

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

dang, why didn't I think of that? That's why you da prez and I'm not.

Among other reasons.

Kman · Oct 14, 2014

Topher said:
Are you sure???
I thought if you had a lower prior to 10/1/13 you could assemble it how ever you wanted. Only post 10/1/13 purchases must conform to the HBAR standard.IANAL - just asking....

Also... I have an FFL friend who went to the last MSP briefing where it was said that you must provide proof that the manufacture of the AR barrel identifies it as a HEAVY barrel. NOT a varmint or a target barrel but HEAVY barrel. It can be on their web site or in product literature. I would print it out and keep a copy.
It used to be that if there was the absence of the "grenade launcher" cut and NON pencil barrel and it was assumed to be a heavy barrel. Not anymore according to the MSP.

Chris

That was my impression and opinion of my local FFL.

abean4187 · Oct 14, 2014

Just get a new job. Living in MD sucks. Many of us are trying to get out.

dblas · Oct 14, 2014

swinokur said:
dang, why didn't I think of that? That's why you da prez and I'm not.

Among other reasons.

Even if I wasn't, I would have come up with this, thanks for the kind words.

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

MSP is going to say a lower is not a rifle, and if you didn't possess the rifle before 10-1-13, they're gonna nix it. As Dblas said, build it out of state since your pososesed the parts before 10-1-13. Just register it when you get here.

My opinion. IANAL YMMV. Pinecone will straighten us out.

fivepointstar · Oct 14, 2014

Welcome to Harford Co! we have a good group in HarCo

dblas · Oct 14, 2014

abean4187 said:
Just get a new job. Living in MD sucks. Many of us are trying to get out.

This kind of response needs to stop.

We need all of the help we can get, and telling prospective MD citizens, who are pro 2A, to not move here, does absolutely nothing for our cause and our fight. We need more members, not less, and there really only two ways to get there;

1. Convert folks who have never been around firearms.

2. People who move into the state that already share our mindset.

I'm not picking on you specifically, but every time I see this response, I shake my head.

We need to hang together, for we will certainly hang alone.

AK-47 · Oct 14, 2014

abean4187 said:
Just get a new job. Living in MD sucks. Many of us are trying to get out.

Exactly. Do not move here.

AK-47 · Oct 14, 2014

dblas said:
This kind of response needs to stop.

We need all of the help we can get, and telling prospective MD citizens, who are pro 2A, to not move here, does absolutely nothing for our cause and our fight. We need more members, not less, and there really only two ways to get there;

1. Convert folks who have never been around firearms.

2. People who move into the state that already share our mindset.

I'm not picking on you specifically, but every time I see this response, I shake my head.

We need to hang together, for we will certainly hang alone.

You have a good point. However, the answer is a lot more complex than what you summarized in two bullet items. Also, there are many other reasons not to move here other than just bad gun laws.

We do need to hang together. Sad thing is when it comes time to vote most RURAL people don't even vote. PG, Howard and Baltimore counties run the show. That is where we need to start.

swinokur · Oct 14, 2014

Don't forget the moon bats here in the asylum known as Mont. Co.

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