Now that full lowers are allowed - what about 80%?
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even though this is MD, I dare the gov. to tell me I can't make something that I can legally purchase
gc27
Member
^preach
dogbone
Ultimate Member
I say SBR it and the maximum amount of "Screw you, O'Malley!" for all your effort.
Build it as a pistol first, then you can go back and forth between pistol and rifle and back to pistol for super maximum "Screw you O'Malley" effect.
jwhite407
Always Packing
and the best part is Ares is doing 80% polymers again. I did one of the jig less ones. I plan on making that one some siblings. The price is right!
http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Polymer-80-Black
http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Polymer-80-Black
blodter
Active Member
Build it as a pistol first, then you can go back and forth between pistol and rifle and back to pistol for super maximum "Screw you O'Malley" effect.
Would one need an HQL to build an AR pistol from an 80% lower?
Fox123
Ultimate Member
HQL is for purchases
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The HQL is explicitly not needed to purchase a stripped lower per MSP guidance.
You are correct, I was thinking of the 7-day wait and my mind went to HQL (hadn't had breakfast yet).
My post has been corrected.
blodter
Active Member
Fantastic! Could those stripped lowers be built into HBAR rifles? And in the hypothetical case that I did purchase a stripped lower that I got from an FFL, that lower or any legal variant I manufactured it into - be it an AR pistol or HBAR rifle - would it be treated as a regulated firearm or pistol (meaning restrictions on how and where I take it)? The same question also applies to an 80% lower build - what restrictions would there be compared to a regular cash and carry long gun?
(1) Typically, if it's a 100% lower, yes. For maximum flexibility, make sure it's transferred into your name as 'Other'; then you can build whatever you like (that is legal to own).
(2) Yes, a stripped lower you purchase from an FFL can be built into either - BUT it can only be built into a pistol if it has never been built into a rifle (how they plan on checking this, I have no clue). Again, make sure it's "Other" and not transferred as a long gun/pistol.
(3) Once you create/build/etc a weapon it has all the restrictions the state/federal government have put on the type that you'd buy from the store. Now, AR/AK pistols are not SBRs unless you go through the NFA process to specifically put SBR-type things (stock, fore grip, etc.) on them.
(4) Same; you can build whatever is legal in your state.
The plus with an 80% lower is that you don't have to go through the FFL process. If you plan on SBR'ing an 80% lower, you'll have to give it a serial number to submit.
These are my interpretations of the law, but I am by no means an attorney.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
My understanding is that if built into an HBAR, then the entire rifle can be sold FTF as any non-regulated long gun currently is because it would now be a non-regulated in HBAR format. If so, it seems it would have to stay in HBAR format.
See: (although thay info may now be dated)
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3292293
Haides
Ultimate Member
I asked a similar question about a year ago and got the opposite answer:
Although, this information is worth exactly what you paid for it.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
Well, ask a question of two people and get three answers.
Last year, it was still legal to put non-HBAR uppers on. I don't know if that changed now that that is all that can be built (rifle-wise) or if the answer you got is still correct.
Admittedly, the post I quoted seemed to be an off-the-cuff response by someone at MSP licensing.
G*d-d*MN these ambiguous Maryland laws.
Last year, it was still legal to put non-HBAR uppers on. I don't know if that changed now that that is all that can be built (rifle-wise) or if the answer you got is still correct.
Admittedly, the post I quoted seemed to be an off-the-cuff response by someone at MSP licensing.
G*d-d*MN these ambiguous Maryland laws.
Haides
Ultimate Member
Yeah, I think the MSP email you linked to was saying that the FFL he was talking to could complete the rifle and then sell to a customer as unregulated? Would it be different for FFL's versus private individuals?
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
That very well could be the case. That thread is kinda all jumbled together (what else is new here?), so it could have been specific to FFLs.
One thing is for sure - I need to find the time to order another lower.
One thing is for sure - I need to find the time to order another lower.
- Feb 4, 2013
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If you put a non-HBAR upper on a rifle that was NOT in banned form before Oct 1, you cannot do it now. You will be making a banned rifle.
If it existed in banned form before Oct 1, then it can be returned to that form.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Yes, you can buy them.
Yes you can make them into a rifle. But most are sold as stripped lowers, so you need to put all the parts in them to make the work.
You still need an HBAR barrel, since it did not exist in banned form prior to Oct 1, 2013.
I have been happy with my Anderson lower and two Anderson uppers. My Del-Ton lower seems fine.
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