Electronically controlled trigger on a MG?

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    Kingjamez

    Kingjamez

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    I know that an electronically controlled trigger is a no-go on a semi-auto because the possibility exists of the firearms technology branch of the ATF messing with the electronics until it fires continuously.

    Anyone care to speculate on a registered MG being re-fit with an electronic trigger? I don't think it can be any more of a machine gun than it already is. Thoughts?

    -Jim
     
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    Kingjamez

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    ken792 said:
    I'm not sure, but here's an electronic trigger meant for a semi auto 10/22.

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/06/etrigger-ruger-1022/
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    That's a big help, thanks! In the comments there is a link to a very recent ATF opinion letter that clarifies the question very well:
    http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz (it's long, question 21 says an AR-15 with an electronic trigger is a-ok as long as it still shoots one round per pull).

    Looks like an MG with an electronic trigger would be legal too.

    Interesting to note that the above letter said, one pull, 3 barrels, three shots is also ok.. that's kind of cool. Might make for an interesting project.

    -Jim
     
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    ken792

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    I'd kind of be interested in one if it were smaller, cheaper, and for an AR. You could theoretically set the pull to something like 1oz pressure on the electronic trigger so you can fire it as fast you can touch the trigger.
     
    smdub

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    AFAIK, olympic class type airguns are all using electronic sears now. Daystate is a hunter type thats using it (and that was a couple years ago when I stopped keeping up w/ that stuff.) They control the hammer pressure/time based on tank pressure to keep shot velocity consistent to absurd levels. Also reduces lock time. Its late but I thought some competition semi-auto 22LRs already have electronic triggers too (pistols and rifles). Ultra light consistent pull + fastest lock time.
     
    IMBLITZVT

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    Paintball guns have been Electronically controlled since late last millennium. I will have my 99' Angel with her electronic trigger. I can put out about 14 shots per second with it if I am really trying. Thats 840 balls per minute. You can only do that with a twitch of a trigger pull. It does make accuracy a bit hard when firing that fast. So on a real gun, I think the recoil would keep you from being able to get those rates of fire.

    I will add that is really sucks to have a dead battery... and not be able to shoot.

    By switching out the board, I can install a board switch has a 3-shot fast burst, 8 shot slow burst and FA.

    However to be frank, I don't know it really adds much of an advantage to FA where the gun is already shooting so fast. Seems to me that the benefits of an electronic trigger would be mainly a fast trigger pull. On a sniper rifle, the extremely light trigger pull would be really nice but that's not really a good thing with a FA MG
     
    Kingjamez

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    IMBLITZVT said:
    However to be frank, I don't know it really adds much of an advantage to FA where the gun is already shooting so fast. Seems to me that the benefits of an electronic trigger would be mainly a fast trigger pull. On a sniper rifle, the extremely light trigger pull would be really nice but that's not really a good thing with a FA MG
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    There are more reasons for a remote trigger than just a light trigger pull. Think tripod/bipod shoots and an Xbox controller :-)

    -Jim
     
    IMBLITZVT

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    Kingjamez said:
    There are more reasons for a remote trigger than just a light trigger pull. Think tripod/bipod shoots and an Xbox controller :-)

    -Jim
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    I was not really considering the remote trigger, just a straight replacement with an electronic trigger.

    There are already remote triggers for MGs. Some clamp on like the Madsen. Some are built into tripods like on the German MG42 and MG3 tripods. So making a remote trigger with a servo would not be hard. BB gun battleships have been doing it for years... I need to get one...
     
    rsideout

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    Kingjamez said:
    There are more reasons for a remote trigger than just a light trigger pull. Think tripod/bipod shoots and an Xbox controller :-)

    -Jim
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    Were you thinking of something like this from The Jackal?
     

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    Mike OTDP

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    smdub said:
    AFAIK, olympic class type airguns are all using electronic sears now. ... Its late but I thought some competition semi-auto 22LRs already have electronic triggers too (pistols and rifles).
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    Not so much for semi-auto (though Pardini, Walther, and Match Guns will sell you electronic-trigger pistols), but the Olympic Free Pistol shooters have been using electronic triggers for 20 years or so. Over half the competitors at the 2014 World Championships will probably use them. I shoot one myself.
     
    Kingjamez

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    rsideout said:
    Were you thinking of something like this from The Jackal?
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    Yep, minus the people killin.
    I'd use my Mac-10 with a S.A.B.R.E in 5.56 though. Think 150 round drum, 3 independently articulating wheels, 1/4" AR-500 skin, an HD video camera behind a thick lexan lens, all controlled by a Rasberry-Pi or tablet for command and control. Bonus points if I can integrate an occulus rift and spread spectrum comms for jamming avoidance. Basically a really cool battlebot (remember that show?).

    My CAD, CNC Machine, Plasma Cutter, and TIG welder await this project, but it'll probably be a loooong time coming. There are a ton of safety issues I'd need to address and it's just a scratch in the back of my head right now.

    -Jim
     
    Kingjamez

    Kingjamez

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    An iPhone with a Flir One would be a cool addition:
    DSC04670_610x458.jpg


    Something like this as an overall picture:
    bilde


    Should be legal as far as I can tell. Plus if the cuban's invade, I'd be good to go.

    -Jim
     
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