Nazi Treasure Train update

BossmanPJ · Sep 16, 2015

How great would it be if it were towing a German railway gun? I'm am excited to see if this is real.

kenpo333 · Sep 16, 2015

BigDaddy said:
And the government is here to help you. Besides the obvious problem that most of those people are dead, governments have been very slow to return Nazi loot. Families are tied up in courts for years.

Here's what 100 tons of Nazi gold hidden in a salt mine look like:

Now that is Kool!

Armadillofz1 · Sep 16, 2015

My family has been trying to get back some art work stolen from them back then. Family lost everything including one of Poland's largest cigarette factories (I'm sure nothing will come of that). I can only imagine how everything on that train will be in dispute for decades. Every ounce of gold, every gold filling, every wedding band (that wasn't swallowed).

BigDaddy · Sep 18, 2015

Today's news, they like my idea of the Amber Room
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240066/Nazi-gold-train-finders-claims-250m-Amber-Room-stolen-Russian-Czars-Hitler-inside.html

aray · Sep 18, 2015

I read recently that the Russian government (Putin) is trying to horn in on this and make claims.

BigDaddy · Sep 18, 2015

aray said:
I read recently that the Russian government (Putin) is trying to horn in on this and make claims.

Well it is his Amber Room.

There are still many millions that are unaccounted for and unsuccessful claims have been made against the Vatican and Swiss banks. Of course how many billions of dollars did we lose track of in Iraq? Not war costs but actual money sent to Iraq.

Machodoc · Sep 18, 2015

Hey ... how hard is it to dig an access hole? If that was a ruin in Mexico, there'd be dozens of tunnels into it by now.

FrankOceanXray · Sep 19, 2015

Machodoc said:
Hey ... how hard is it to dig an access hole? If that was a maximum high security prison in Mexico, there'd be dozens of tunnels into it by now.

FTFY

Machodoc · Sep 19, 2015

FrankOceanXray said:
FTFY

toolness1 · Sep 19, 2015

First, I have to say RIP to everyone who lost their lives and all their possessions during WWII.

Having said that, it is such a fascinating time in history. I don't think I could ever get sick of reading and watching documentaries on the era.

The Nazis stole so much, and went to pretty crazy measures to hide it. 12 years is a LONG time when you think about it.... There is probably a good amount of gold hidden that nobody alive even knows about.

When the Third Reich was near it's end, all the Nazi higher-ups were going nuts trying to save their own ass AND all the loot they stole.

Hell ,there are people that were never found despite extensive searches (Mengele), there's gotta be lots of art/treasure/gold that is still out there somewhere.

Docster · Sep 19, 2015

toolness1 said:
First, I have to say RIP to everyone who lost their lives and all their possessions during WWII.

Having said that, it is such a fascinating time in history. I don't think I could ever get sick of reading and watching documentaries on the era.

The Nazis stole so much, and went to pretty crazy measures to hide it. 12 years is a LONG time when you think about it.... There is probably a good amount of gold hidden that nobody alive even knows about.

When the Third Reich was near it's end, all the Nazi higher-ups were going nuts trying to save their own ass AND all the loot they stole.

Hell ,there are people that were never found despite extensive searches (Mengele), there's gotta be lots of art/treasure/gold that is still out there somewhere.

Actually, Mengele was eventually found.

From Wikipedia: In 31 May 1985, acting on a tip received by the West German prosecutor's office, police raided the house of Hans Sedlmeier, a lifelong friend of Mengele and sales manager of the family firm in Günzburg.[109] They found a coded address book and copies of letters to and from Mengele. Among the papers was a letter from Bossert notifying Sedlmeier of Mengele's death.[110] German authorities notified the police in São Paulo, who contacted the Bosserts. Under interrogation, they revealed the location of the grave.[111] The remains were exhumed on 6 June 1985, and extensive forensic examination confirmed with a high degree of probability that the body was Mengele's.[112] Rolf Mengele issued a statement on 10 June admitting the body was his father's. He said the news of his father's death had been kept quiet to protect the people who had sheltered his father for so many years.[113] In 1992, DNA testing verified Mengele's identity.[114] The family refused to have the remains repatriated to Germany, and they remain stored at the São Paulo Institute for Forensic Medicine.[115]

Yes, there's folks STILL finding WWII artifacts today. Not all of which are 'treasures' but I find something every time I go over there.

johnnyb2 · Sep 19, 2015

You would be AMAZED of the vast amount of things still missing/hidden/lost from WWII. Some that is good and some that is bad. There are the casks of mercury, sitting on the bottom of a couple fjords and the ocean, slowly rotting away and leaching their poison from sunken German U-boats, and more gold than just this train. Having read a lot many many years ago about WWII lost items, there is still so much lost ART & SCULPTURE's still unaccounted for, and buried in private collections. I would love to be reading about the progress of this find. I wouldn't mind visiting that diamond mine out in the western US, where someone just found like a 5 carat diamond recently, uncut of course :-). hahahaha

toolness1 · Sep 19, 2015

Docster said:
Actually, Mengele was eventually found.

From Wikipedia: In 31 May 1985, acting on a tip received by the West German prosecutor's office, police raided the house of Hans Sedlmeier, a lifelong friend of Mengele and sales manager of the family firm in Günzburg.[109] They found a coded address book and copies of letters to and from Mengele. Among the papers was a letter from Bossert notifying Sedlmeier of Mengele's death.[110] German authorities notified the police in São Paulo, who contacted the Bosserts. Under interrogation, they revealed the location of the grave.[111] The remains were exhumed on 6 June 1985, and extensive forensic examination confirmed with a high degree of probability that the body was Mengele's.[112] Rolf Mengele issued a statement on 10 June admitting the body was his father's. He said the news of his father's death had been kept quiet to protect the people who had sheltered his father for so many years.[113] In 1992, DNA testing verified Mengele's identity.[114] The family refused to have the remains repatriated to Germany, and they remain stored at the São Paulo Institute for Forensic Medicine.[115]

Yes, there's folks STILL finding WWII artifacts today. Not all of which are 'treasures' but I find something every time I go over there.

Sorry, I meant never found while he was alive

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Abulg1972 · Sep 19, 2015

toolness1 said:
Sorry, I meant never found while he was alive

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I think that I watched a documentary called Finding Mengele.

Machodoc · Sep 20, 2015

Abulg1972 said:
I think that I watched a documentary called Finding Mengele.

Yep. I don't know the title, but I'm sure that Netflix "on demand" has a number of documentaries on the hunt for / capture of various Nazi war criminals. At least one is entirely about Mengele.

AC MkIII · Sep 21, 2015

Hicap said:
Is that Nosferatu? ^^^

I got it right away and yes is the answer.

killborn · Sep 21, 2015

Clearly I need to quit my job and become a Treasure hunter.. Damn, if this is true it's quite the find. Will be following this for sure.

ww2 · Sep 21, 2015

Don't quit yet. very few can make a good living at it. Maybe only one out of 10,000 get rich.

BigDaddy · Sep 21, 2015

killborn said:
Clearly I need to quit my job and become a Treasure hunter.. Damn, if this is true it's quite the find. Will be following this for sure.

There is the Fenn Treasure right here in the US. No boobie traps nor need to read German/Polish archives. He has even given you clues.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-hunt-for-forrest-fenns-treasure/

rob-cubed · Sep 23, 2015

First I've heard of it. Fascinating. Yet it has all the earmarks of treasure frenzy which is probably why it's not being more widely reported:
- Rumors of Nazi treasure train(s) being buried that have swirled for 70 years
- Tunnels under a nearby castle that the Nazis constructed
- Secrets on a deathbed revealed by that "one survivor" that helped to hide the train and was somehow not murdered by the Nazis, who were not particularly leniant with their secrets
- Random bits of gear and coins that were found in the general area that the Germans were known to have occupied anyway.
- Only one or two ground-penetrating radar images on inferior equipment that could be anything. People see faces on Mars.
- The Polish government shrugging their shoulders regarding a dig, which would put the whole thing to rest quickly.

I'd be excited if it was real. I'd still be excited if it was real and contained nothing but sensitive documents and some random bodies. So far it seems like two very optimistic guys creating a lot of hype.

Or... maybe... the Poles are already digging it up under the cover of said tunnels, and will spirit away billions in gold and priceless art never to be seen again?! We all know how the fate of stolen treasures will end up, in decades of expensive lawsuits and fights over rightful ownership.

They will haul it away in their own treasure trains, bury it under a "rockslide" for safekeeping and the cycle will continue.

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