Frostbite Shoot - Jan 27th, 2008 After Action Report!!

JeepDriver · Jan 28, 2008

E.Shell said:
In order of appearance:

My 6.5-284 tac rifle:

This is going to get expensive

I might have to sell a few guns to finance 1 build!

I've been thinking about a bolt gun all day today.

I'm going to talk to Jaime (the 338LM's owner) tomorrow and see where to start.

You'll be hearing from me alot this year!

E.Shell · Jan 28, 2008

DD214 said:
Apparently someone dodged a bullet...literally. Whatever this was must have ricocheted off of one of the steel plates and landed in the bed of my truck. (Unless someone picked it up and put it there. Anyone?)

Hey Don,

Judging by size and (tubular) shape, that looks like the jacket from the .50 AP round that penetrated the steel. It is typical for the jacket to peel off an AP/API round and squirt back as the hardened penetrator carries through the plate.

You can also see on the plate pic below that the copper smear is considerably larger than the penetrator perforation:

This "squirting back" effect was discussed over here a while back:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=3388

E.Shell said:
. . .1) Nothing but lead core bullets should ever be fired at steel. The vid mentioned by Redneck and noted in my original post is a perfect example of a steel core penetrator coming back. If it can't frag or go through, one can easily deduce that it will have to go "somewhere" . . .

2) Steel targets should be made of the correct material, i.e.: HARD steel. Hard steel disallows any penetration and causes lead core bullets to disintegrate in a radial pattern. Soft steel allows partial penetration and the bullet is allowed to stay intact by being trapped below the surface of the steel. There are MANY examples of the high-pressure "squirting" back of even soft bullets from a crater in soft steel.
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bmdmc · Jan 28, 2008

HoChiWaWa said:
damn, I'm really sad I missed this, looks like it was a blast.

You guys should quote a picture of yourself so those of us who weren't there can put faces to names.

I have an idea. Maybe good, maybe bad. But what about laminated name tags, with the logo on it and your screen name and your real name. To be worn at the shoots only, and if we do a dinner seat holding. We do this in car clubs all the time.

metalman3006 · Jan 28, 2008

frostbite

I found a copper jacket off a 45 in my pistol case down on the pistol range. :eek:

E.Shell · Jan 28, 2008

Not a bad idea Bernie, seems we're always scrounging. I'd be willing to blow the kids' inheritance on a couple myself.

DD214 · Jan 28, 2008

E.Shell said:
Hey Don,

Judging by size and (tubular) shape, that looks like the jacket from the .50 AP round that penetrated the steel. It is typical for the jacket to peel off an AP/API round and squirt back as the hardened penetrator carries through the plate.

You can also see on the plate pic below that the copper smear is considerably larger than the penetrator perforation:

This "squirting back" effect was discussed over here a while back:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=3388

Interesting. I figured it was a .50 round of some sort, as it is quite large. It would have definitely hurt, as it is a nasty piece of metal with razor sharp protrusions. Something to keep in mind for the next shoot.

DD214 · Jan 28, 2008

Here is our brave moderator, Spot77, laying waste to some berm insurgents.
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Spot77 · Jan 28, 2008

Thanks for posting that Don.

The world is a safer place now that there's one less berm monster to attack us in our sleep.

I mean....I did hit the berm at least once or twice, right? :innocent0

Norton · Jan 28, 2008

DD214 said:
Here is our brave moderator, Spot77, laying waste to some berm insurgents.

Yikes....shooting left handed with full auto

Redneck · Jan 28, 2008

Norton said:
Yikes....shooting left handed with full auto

That was the first thing I noticed. Wish I woulda walked over and gave it a try. :sad20:

gtodave · Jan 28, 2008

DD214 said:
Here is our brave moderator, Spot77, laying waste to some berm insurgents.

30 seconds to get through 30 rounds in full-auto.....what great will-power this one has!

Norton · Jan 28, 2008

Redneck17 said:
That was the first thing I noticed. Wish I woulda walked over and gave it a try.

I missed out on canuck's MP5. :sad20:

Redneck · Jan 28, 2008

Norton said:
I missed out on canuck's MP5.

I saw 2 there I think. One was canned and the other wasnt. I didnt try either of those :sad20:

Spot77 · Jan 28, 2008

Norton said:
Yikes....shooting left handed with full auto

It would've been way more scary had I tried shooting it right handed, given that I'm blind in my right eye.

Spot77 · Jan 28, 2008

gtodave said:
30 seconds to get through 30 rounds in full-auto.....what great will-power this one has!

Willpower? oh not a chance!

Common sense? yeah....I haven't shot anything full auto in a long while, and had I stayed on the trigger I might've shot down the ATF helicopter by accident; the muzzle was climbing pretty good after a three shot burst.

JeepDriver · Jan 28, 2008

Redneck17 said:
That was the first thing I noticed. Wish I woulda walked over and gave it a try.

I'll try and remember you next time.

I think I'm going to make the 20" gun (the one that only worked for about an hour :sad20:

) into a 11.5" A2. Should be good fun on the 50 yard berm in f/a.

Full Auto at 100 yards is kinda pointless. The first round is one target the rest are over the berm.

DD214 · Jan 28, 2008

Norton said:
I missed out on canuck's MP5.

Canuck was kind enough to let me take a ride on that fine piece of machinery. Gooooood stuff. Thanks Canuck! :thumbsup:

Here's my sister raining lead on the pistol range.
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bmdmc · Jan 28, 2008

E.Shell said:
Hey Don,

Judging by size and (tubular) shape, that looks like the jacket from the .50 AP round that penetrated the steel. It is typical for the jacket to peel off an AP/API round and squirt back as the hardened penetrator carries through the plate.

You can also see on the plate pic below that the copper smear is considerably larger than the penetrator perforation:

This "squirting back" effect was discussed over here a while back:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=3388

The 50 CAL ammo is ball only no AP/API. I heard a lot of richochets whizzing through the air later in the day, especially on the left end of the range. And I was not shooting. Someone weigh that thing in grains, if it's over 500 it's probably a 50, otherwise not.

Lambo · Jan 28, 2008

Found a Temp FT Job,

not even half of 5.56 that what was grounded.

I've been sorting all day

Note: found a Headstamp, "1K 03 556x45", thinking this is Ingram?

3rdRcn · Jan 28, 2008

Canuck and JeepDriver both gave me a ride on the full auto stuff, been a long time since I played with full auto guns and it was as fun as I remembered. Thanks guys!

Special thanks to JeepDriver for giving my buddy a ride on the full auto suppressed gun, he was still grinning when he woke up this morning.

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