It was surprisingly 'decent'. There was definitely bias, but they reported the Andy video very fairly IMO. They played several minutes of his video and they cut away at the part where Andy went on the foaming at the mouth rant. They could have made him look a lot worse. They could have also made the 2ndA community look terrible, but they didn't quote the vitriol, they only referenced the threats as the reason Andy decided to not sell the gun. Chris Hayes surprised me by standing by his comments to Andy that he thought the NJ law should be repealed, and he made a good argument for it. He even discussed it with the sponsor of the original law and had her repeat her promise to sponsor the repeal if the NRA..... That part was lip service, but still. Over all, not a bad piece considering the source.
Engage to sell so called "smart gun"
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It was surprisingly 'decent'. There was definitely bias, but they reported the Andy video very fairly IMO. They played several minutes of his video and they cut away at the part where Andy went on the foaming at the mouth rant. They could have made him look a lot worse. They could have also made the 2ndA community look terrible, but they didn't quote the vitriol, they only referenced the threats as the reason Andy decided to not sell the gun. Chris Hayes surprised me by standing by his comments to Andy that he thought the NJ law should be repealed, and he made a good argument for it. He even discussed it with the sponsor of the original law and had her repeat her promise to sponsor the repeal if the NRA..... That part was lip service, but still. Over all, not a bad piece considering the source.
vinjet700
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Regardless of your opinion of this pistol or Engage or Andy, this is wrong and does nothing but hurt a business man, our cause and what we fight for.... IMO
Kilroy
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- Jul 27, 2011
- 3,069
Not sure if you've noticed, but your legislators do not care at all what you think. You're still playing checkers my friend...
Technology can be stopped cold if nobody buys it, or offers it for sale.
Consider this: Smart guns are mandatory. Someone gets shot two blocks away from your house. The next day the police come to your house and demand to see your smart gun firing logs. Or even more likely, they subpoena the manufacturer, who you automatically upload logs to daily to get your free warranty service every 2500 rounds.
You get into a minor traffic accident. The driver of the other car, naturally being pissed at you, spots your smart gun watch, and tells the arriving police officers that you threatened him. The police confiscate your watch, and it's 8 months before you get it back. In the meantime, someone breaks into your house...
You're in a self defense shooting. Your right hand is injured, so you switch to your other hand, which takes the RFID bracelet just out of range, and...
yup, they will be sold somewhere sooner or later. It's just a matter of who and when. I think this offering will fail, though another company might come up with a better "smart gun" in the future.
Mike OTDP
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- Feb 12, 2008
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If someone comes up with a reliable design, they can market it to LEOs.
I don't have any problems with the technology...but like most of us, I don't think it appropriate for everybody. And you can bet that legislators with zero knowledge of firearms will try to mandate it, whether or not it is appropriate.
I've clearly noticed our legislators don't care what I, or most of us on this forum, think. I believe some clarification would be helpful. I assert you cannot stop technology. Technology is, in essence, human knowledge, and it always advances. Many comments on this issue thus far have stressed stopping sales of SG's. Stopping sales does little to stop technology. If sales are bad or non-existent, people only work harder to make the technology better.
Sales, is the commercialization of technology. Once a technology comes into existence, its commercialization may be delayed, but as a strategy, it is doomed to failure. The technology already exists, and there is nothing to prevent legislators, right now, (other than the fear of being voted out of office), from mandating SG's to the exclusion of all others. In the end, the only battle to be fought is with legislators. Technology will continually march forward. What people do with technology, and whether or not new technologies become law, are decisions made by people and legislators. Even if people don't buy it, that is not a barrier to it becoming law. We need to keep working the legal aspect, even though it feels like a losing battle.
Bashing the NRA on national tv is also bad for our cause and what we fight for.
deesly1
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- Nov 16, 2011
- 412
I believe it is total disgrace that some one would threathen your life or anyone close to you for making a business decision for Engage. I have purschase two of your billet lowers in the past and I absolutely love them. I do however understand the fear of the gun owner in this state. Marylanders fear this tyrannical socialist progressive government, which if this technology takes off, will mandate this for all gun sold in this state.(Like New Jersey) The can and will pass it with no way for the opposition to stop it.(like SB281) So the mindset of people is to not even allow the technology enter this state. I too work in the IT sector and it would terrify me to know that a chip, which can be hacked, shorted, or remotely disabled, will chose if I am drawing the white outline or becoming one. Nevertheless NO ONE SHOULD BE THREATHING THIS MAN!!!!! We need to stop the government. PERIOD!
Image this, the year is 2030 and smart guns are the only guns you can buy. All law abidening citizen must turn there guns in or retro fit with smart gun tech. The state will pick up the tab. Now say that the government wants to take over a section of town like ...ummm Bel Air. All the police have to do is send a signal and disable all firearms in the Bel Air area. The government has essentially gain total control of an area is seconds. lets say that this technology fails into criminal hands? This technology is adding complication to simplicity.
Thing is, this product would likely be completely forgotten if it weren't for all these publicity stunts - ie, what you suggest may happen, but likely only as a result of the shenanigans to date.
Because it's been imported and is even on the MD handgun roster, it's all the easier for some bloomberg frontman to get an FFL and do exactly what you suggest. None of that had to happen. There is no demand for this product among gun owners.
Of course there's no demand for it among current gun owners. There's no demand amongst bmx riders for training wheels either. It's more about getting someone on the fence into our community.
I'm not sure there's any demand for it outside of MSNBC hosts and WaPo reporters.
NateIU10
Ultimate Member
Then let it fail in the marketplace.
natsb
Ultimate Member
It can't fail in the marketplace when the Government is mandating it.
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We're beating a dead horse and everyone is firmly entrenched in their position by now, but your argument implies there is a free market when nothing could be further from the truth. You pretend you're working with rational actors when that is not the case.
Do you think the DoJ and Eric Holder are researching "smart gun" technology because they are interesting in promoting the shooting sports? JMHO - anyone who supports this is subsidizing their own demise.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/eric-holder-wants-gun-owners-to-wear-tracking-bracelets/
Any device can be hacked.
If this ever goes through someone will be able to get to its innards, reverse engineer it, and then profit.
Getting worked up over nothing.
If this ever goes through someone will be able to get to its innards, reverse engineer it, and then profit.
Getting worked up over nothing.
- Dec 20, 2013
- 12,340
Exactly.
Yup, I'm sure hackers'll have a field day with these things. Imagine the "fun" they'll have blocking the signal, changing the codes, switching the grip colours, adding tones, broadcasting logs, etc. Only a liberal loon could think a reasonable minded gun owner would be willing to swap his 'Vette for this Prius. But, having said that, it's the Google-glasses-wearing Prius set who're ultimately the target market for these things.
Worked up over nothing.
- Dec 27, 2012
- 30,192
In 2018 every car will have a rear view backup camera.
NHTSA Announces Final Rule Requiring Rear Visibility Technology
Things can go real quickly from "that's a nice idea if you want to buy it" to "now required by law of every product sold in the US."
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