MSP signing form 1's? (SBR)

bigplayer2382 · Oct 1, 2013

Is the MSP signing form 1's as of today?

To my knowledge in order to SBR a current rifle you fill out the form 1, get the MSP to sign off on it, then send the form 1 (with MSP signature) and $200 off to ATF correct?

rsj1231 · Oct 1, 2013

My brother is still waiting for his Form 1 to come back from MSP, he dropped it off in the first week of September.

I took my Form 1 to my local CLEO and it took him exactly one month.

After I got my form 1 with signature back I mailed in the following documents:
- (2) Form 1 printed on front and back
- (2) Form 5330.20
- (2) Livescan receipt
- (2) Blue finger print cards
- (2) Passport sized photos
- $200 check

bigplayer2382 · Oct 1, 2013

so any idea if your able to do it... today?

And I guess its not as simple as dropping it off at your local state police barracks for a signature

swinokur · Oct 1, 2013

I got my Form 4 back from MSP last Saturday. 104 days.

The form was signed on 9-10. I got it back 9-29.

jrumann59 · Oct 1, 2013

swinokur said:
I got my Form 4 back from MSP last Saturday. 104 days.

The form was signed on 9-10. I got it back 9-29.

Did have all the around the world stamps like in the old looney tunes cartoons.

swinokur · Oct 1, 2013

That would have been a better excuse than none at all. It sat somewhere for 20 days.

MJD438 · Oct 1, 2013

swinokur said:
That would have been a better excuse than none at all. It sat somewhere for 20 days.

Rights delayed are rights denied...

Armati · Oct 2, 2013

So where exactly does one go to get this signature from the MSP? Who has the authority to sign off on this?

swinokur · Oct 2, 2013

MSP Firearms Registration Section

1111 Reisterstown RD
Pikesville MD

huesmann · Oct 2, 2013

From what I read, MSP was only going to approve SBR Form 1s for those who submitted before 10/1, and after that they would be disapproved. My recollection could be wrong, and what I read could be wrong. Obviously that would apply to SBRs made from now-banned weapons (e.g. AR-15); if you want to make an SBR out of a non-banned rifle (can't think of an e.g.), I assume it's still fair game.

rob-cubed · Oct 2, 2013

Get a trust and avoid the CLEO requirement!

Or, have your local gun shop do the work and xfer back to you on a Form 4.

swinokur · Oct 2, 2013

You can't Form 4 anything banned after 10-1.

teratos · Oct 2, 2013

swinokur said:
You can't Form 4 anything banned after 10-1.

I still think this is a huge gray area. There is a length requirement for rifles, but MD has always treated SBR's as pistols. They are not specifically banned in SB281. You can't have a rifle shorter than 29", but a SBR is not mentioned.

swinokur · Oct 2, 2013

Didn't MSP state at the very last dealers meeting that any AR 15 bought or transferred after 10-1 would be banned? Not saying that's the final rule but that's what I recall being posted.

So that leaves using a Form 1 for a pre 10-1 lower as your only option.

rob-cubed · Oct 2, 2013

swinokur said:
You can't Form 4 anything banned after 10-1.

I think this remains to be seen... no one's tried it yet. Especially to a firearm that was already in MD before the Oct 1st date. Thusfar, SBRs have always fallen under Fed scrutiny outside of MD's regulated policies, and SB-281 doesn't ban them specifically.

I haven't reviewed the new COMAR though, they may have "fixed" this already or issued a ruling which clarifies their legal standing.

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