What with the MD Assault Weapons ban do to NFA weapons?

Markp · Jan 23, 2013

A SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE RIFLE THAT HAS AN OVERALL LENGTH OF LESS THAN 30 INCHES

ALL NFA OWNERS PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THIS

You can NO LONGER TRANSPORT a centerfire SBR off Maryland soil and bring it back in if this passes!!!

This is a big huge f'ing deal as Biden would say! This also outlaws NEW SBR's after it goes into effect!

Done! Gone! Along with centerfire "AOW's", because they are caught up in this mess too in the other provisions. (front handgrip, magazine outside the mag well, etc, etc.)

Oh, ya, this is gonna be good. Read this bill carefully, you probably have more at stake than you think. ALL NFA FIREARMS APPEAR TO BE SUBJECT TO THIS LAW. I do not see a specific carve out.

Inigoes · Jan 23, 2013

You forgot suppressors!

teratos · Jan 23, 2013

You also can't have a threaded barrel on a pistol that might be used to "mount a suppressor". What if I have a legal f'ing suppressor? Since none of these morons know anything about firearms, they didn't think of any of this.

PJDiesel · Jan 23, 2013

teratos said:
You also can't have a threaded barrel on a pistol that might be used to "mount a suppressor". What if I have a legal f'ing suppressor? Since none of these morons know anything about firearms, they didn't think of any of this.

I knew they'd get around to this.

I submitted my forms to BATFE in mid October for a rimfire suppressor, wonder what happens to schit that is in process at this point. :sad20:

teratos · Jan 23, 2013

PJDiesel said:
I knew they'd get around to this.

I submitted my forms to BATFE in mid October for a rimfire suppressor, wonder what happens to schit that is in process at this point.

I'm in the same boat you are. There will need to be an amendment to the bill to address this.

Markp · Jan 23, 2013

teratos said:
I'm in the same boat you are. There will need to be an amendment to the bill to address this.

There is no ban on suppressors, just on pistols only. I won't talk about deficiencies in this bill, but I would not sweat it, it's ******** and easily defeated by technology!

There is NO AMENDMENT NEEDED, This Bill Needs To DIE!

Markp · Jan 23, 2013

PJDiesel said:
I knew they'd get around to this.

I submitted my forms to BATFE in mid October for a rimfire suppressor, wonder what happens to schit that is in process at this point.

You'll get to register your rimfire pistol as an Assault Weapon, as clearly, that's an all out assault weapon. :lol2:

Do you know how many crimes silenced rimfire pistols were committed last year?!?

Inigoes · Jan 23, 2013

Markp said:
This Bill Needs To DIE!

PJDiesel · Jan 23, 2013

Markp said:
You'll get to register your rimfire pistol as an Assault Weapon, as clearly, that's an all out assault weapon. Do you know how many crimes silenced rimfire pistols were committed last year?!?

In the movies? :rolleyes:

Elliotte · Jan 23, 2013

teratos said:
You also can't have a threaded barrel on a pistol that might be used to "mount a suppressor". What if I have a legal f'ing suppressor? Since none of these morons know anything about firearms, they didn't think of any of this.

Time to break out the tongue depressors and the duct tape :toothless

teratos · Jan 23, 2013

Markp said:
You'll get to register your rimfire pistol as an Assault Weapon, as clearly, that's an all out assault weapon. Do you know how many crimes silenced rimfire pistols were committed last year?!?

So I'll have an "assault" 22/45? Brilliant!

Indiana Jones · Jan 23, 2013

All this bill talk makes me wanna puke. Its freaking me out! I need a suppressor but cant afford one at the moment.

erwos · Jan 23, 2013

Assuming Markp's thesis is correct...

Suppressors: not affected by themselves. They are flash hiders, though, so no new semi-auto pistol or semi-auto centerfire rifle hosts after the ban.

Form 1: A form 1 is only permission to manufacture, so you need the form back AND the actual chop to below 16" before October 1. If you do the chop afterwards, you have technically manufactured a new firearm that would not be eligible for registering/grandfathering.

Form 4: You will need to have the SBR/SBS/AOW in your hands before October 1. Remember that all SBRs and SBSs are regulated, as they are included under handguns, so you will need to have an extra week before the cut-off for the MSP check.

Unless NFA wait times dramatically improve in the next few months, or we get bumped to the head of the line closer to October, we are basically out of time for doing a form 3->form 4 transfer, as it would take too long. You could probably sneak in a form 1 or form 4 if you act in February or March.

There is some good news in that this regulation doesn't seem to hit SBSs, rimfire SBRs, or certain AOWs (eg, Serbu Super Shorty). So we're not quite a no-NFA state.

tc617 · Jan 23, 2013

...And I just got my NFA trust notarized. :sad20:

Unfortunately I cannot afford to move to Virginia because I stand to lose too much on my house.

I guess it's time for a second salvo of emails, letters, and making phone calls today.

THIS BAN MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO PASS!

IMBLITZVT · Jan 23, 2013

The best part of this ban is .... nevermind

I don't see why you can't travel with your SBR... I don't see that in the law.

I wonder about 3 lug barrels like MP5s...

For me I have belt fed Semi autos like the 1919a4, MG34, MG42 that may now be considered assault rifles. How about a semi vickers... I would say thats not a rifle so I don't have to worry.

I also wonder how we will have to register. Will they want to see the guns? Thats a lot of guns to see for the police! I bet we will just have to mail it in. In which case... well I plan to register most of my guns as assault weapons.

Markp · Jan 23, 2013

IMBLITZVT said:
The best part of this ban is that possession of high Cap mags is still legal...

I don't see why you can't travel with your SBR... I don't see that in the law.

I wonder about 3 lug barrels like MP5s...

For me I have belt fed Semi autos like the 1919a4, MG34, MG42 that may now be considered assault rifles. How about a semi vickers... I would say thats not a rifle so I don't have to worry.

I also wonder how we will have to register. Will they want to see the guns? Thats a lot of guns to see for the police! I bet we will just have to mail it in. In which case... well I plan to register most of my guns as assault weapons.

There is some debate to that. My concern is that they may decide that SBR's may be caught up in the "copy cat" language, correctly or incorrectly.

Since all centerfire rifles under 30 inches are now "copy cat" assault weapons, I can see where they might try apply this to SBR's. Additionally, the law does not specifically state how they measure OAL, which I think is VERY sneaky, even if all folding stock rifles are by definition now assault weapons, I suppose it doesn't much matter. Remember, they are not passing this law to protect our rights but to strip us of as much as they can as quickly as they can!

WTF does overall length have to do with anything (other than perhaps an effort to ban small .22 semi-autos)!

HT4 · Jan 23, 2013

teratos said:
So I'll have an "assault" 22/45? Brilliant!

That's right... I've got one also. Better still, we both have "assault" bobcats!

Ironnewt · Jan 23, 2013

This is just too f'ng stupid. Anyone who goes to all the trouble, expense and general RED TAPE to get a centerfire SBR is not the type of person who is going to use it to illegally.

Markp · Jan 23, 2013

IMBLITZVT said:
The best part of this ban is that possession of high Cap mags is still legal...

I don't see why you can't travel with your SBR... I don't see that in the law.

I also wonder how we will have to register. Will they want to see the guns? Thats a lot of guns to see for the police! I bet we will just have to mail it in. In which case... well I plan to register most of my guns as assault weapons.

Don't worry about the details at this point, wonder quietly on some stuff, there is a lot of room to become creative, after all, threads are just that, threads, if they are not threads, they must be something else by definition.

Get it?

On the specific weapons you described above, you have to disassemble the action to load them, therefore not an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine.

Don't worry, these bans cannot stop innovation and generally only create innovation where there was none before. Humans solve problems, illegal weapons bans are a problem, one we will continue to solve until the .gov realizes the futility of it's action.

Don't worry, It's my daily carry "assault weapon". Not!

aehnuke · Jan 23, 2013

Ahem..

(3)
A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED AN ASSAULT LONG
GUN OR A COPYCAT WEAPON BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2013, AND WHO REGISTERS
THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON WITH THE SECRETARY OF
STATE POLICE BEFORE NOVEMBER 1, 2013, MAY:
18 (I)
19 CONTINUE TO POSSESS THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR
COPYCAT WEAPON; OR
(II)
20 WHILE CARRYING A COURT ORDER REQUIRING THE
21 SURRENDER OF THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON, TRANSPORT
22 THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON DIRECTLY TO THE LAW
23 ENFORCEMENT UNIT, BARRACKS, OR STATION IF THE PERSON HAS NOTIFIED
24 THE LAW ENFORCEMENT UNIT, BARRACKS, OR STATION THAT THE PERSON IS
25 TRANSPORTING THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON IN ACCORDANCE
26 WITH A COURT ORDER AND THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON IS
27 UNLOADED.
28 4–304.
29 A law enforcement unit may seize as contraband and dispose of according to
30 regulation an assault [pistol] WEAPON transported, sold, transferred, purchased,
31 received, or possessed in violation of this subtitle.

Everyone here should realize that under the proposed law, even if you already own an 'assault weapon,' leaving your house with it is grounds for confiscation and jail time. Please see the bolded text. 'Assault weapons' will not be able to see the light of day after the bill is passed. Your only "option" is to turn them in to the police, or keep it locked up forever.

My interpretation is that NFA weapons are NOT protected if you own them in MD and they fall under the 'assault weapon' designation.

What with the MD Assault Weapons ban do to NFA weapons?

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