Just got form 1 disapproved due to sb281

ELCAM · Jun 26, 2014

sleev-les said:
Its 31" OAL based off my calcs.. I was just talking to Mr. Cook yesterday and he brought up concern with the handgun roster. I did get something in writing from Cpl Edwards stating I would have to submit to the handgun roster if I sold the gun, but not for ATF approval.

Do you also mind sharing the email with me?

daNattyFatty · Jun 27, 2014

Just e-filed a form 1 for a 30.5" SBR from a pre 10/1 stripped lower. I included the 77r in the attachments.

We'll see how this goes.....

sleev-les · Jun 29, 2014

Per Mr. Cook, you won't get an approval until MSP clarifies. I sent the email I got from Cpl Edwards to Mr. Cook, but part of his email says MSP is reviewing how to treat pre October lowers/rifles and whether they will be legal or not. No timeline on the review is available.....

daNattyFatty · Jun 29, 2014

sleev-les said:
Per Mr. Cook, you won't get an approval until MSP clarifies. I sent the email I got from Cpl Edwards to Mr. Cook, but part of his email says MSP is reviewing how to treat pre October lowers/rifles and whether they will be legal or not. No timeline on the review is available.....

Was there an indication if they'd hold the application until a decision is made, or just outright deny it?

sleev-les · Jun 29, 2014

daNattyFatty said:
Was there an indication if they'd hold the application until a decision is made, or just outright deny it?

My feeling is that he is waiting on guidance, but that was directly related to my resubmission. He didn't come out and say directly, but my feeling was that he won't deny until MSP screws us or gives him the okay.

daNattyFatty · Jun 29, 2014

sleev-les said:
My feeling is that he is waiting on guidance, but that was directly related to my resubmission. He didn't come out and say directly, but my feeling was that he won't deny until MSP screws us or gives him the okay.

Well, four months puts me right around Christmas (and on my honeymoon), so maybe there will be some clarity at that point.....and a nice gift to me!

CrawfishStu · Jun 30, 2014

sleev-les said:
My feeling is that he is waiting on guidance, but that was directly related to my resubmission. He didn't come out and say directly, but my feeling was that he won't deny until MSP screws us or gives him the okay.

Mine was denied, but he said to send him what the msp says.

datninjadebo31 · Jul 5, 2014

Editorial note: first real post that I'll publicly repent for in an intro post later as I'm an admitted LONG time lurker

I just had a Form 1 "DISAPPROVED" by Shaun D. Cook from Martinsburg ATF branch for "MD State Law--Assault Weapon Prohibited"

Here's the overall fact pattern:
Bought Kriss Vector Carbine 12/27/2012
Submitted Form 1 to MSP for SBR conversion 9/19/2013
Received MSP Approval 9/23/2013
Received MSP Approval in the mail 10/31/2013
Submitted Form 1 to the ATF 11/8/2013
ATF cashes my check (filed as individual) 11/12/2013
ATF "DISAPPROVED". 7/1/2014
Received disapproval in mail from ATF 7/3/2014

So it appears the issues are the OAL being < 29" and submitting after 10/1. Given the recent communication from MSP that SBRs are categorized as handguns and the KRISS SDP is listed on the handgun roster, do I have any options to resubmit and high probability of approval? If so, what does that process look like? It appears other members are resubmitting and attaching communications with MSP, but not sure how long they'll sit in limbo. This will be shocking, but I'm a little uncertain/confused on this whole process; any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance and I'm hoping like many of you the ambiguity of what should be pretty simple gets cleared up.

ironpony · Jul 5, 2014

I would put in my two cents here but cannot find my tin foil hat right now.

sleev-les · Jul 6, 2014

I posted this in a couple other threads related to this topic, but I sent Mr. Cook a copy of what Engage got as far as SBR's and also Cpl. Edwards email stating that SBR form 1's only have to be submitted to the handgun roster if I planned on selling my SBR. Since then, I have not gotten anything back from Mr. Cook. That was over a week ago. I provided all map guidance and by my own eyes everything looked okay, but now no response. I don't know if thats a good thing and they are going to process my resubmission or if it will just sit or get denied.

fabsroman · Jul 12, 2014

After reading through this thread, think I am going to stick with a 16" barrel for my AR .300 BLK. Was thinking about going with 10.5" but just the headache from reading this thread is insane. Cannot imagine the headache of actually applying to the ATF for the SBR.

sleev-les · Jul 13, 2014

Trust me, I am feeling the pain of this mess. I have not heard anything else back from Cook after I sent him documentation, still. I'm hoping thats a good sign....

datninjadebo31 · Jul 14, 2014

With the Kriss Vector SBR being added to the roster on 7/11, does that change things with my disapproval?

Maverick0313 · Jul 14, 2014

Good luck.

Wayne1one · Jul 14, 2014

datninjadebo31 said:
With the Kriss Vector SBR being added to the roster on 7/11, does that change things with my disapproval?

You still would have to meet the OAL requirement.

Los · Aug 9, 2014

Another data point

I've read this and other threads, and frankly the subject makes my head hurt. I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but this is confusing to the point that the good folks charged with enforcing the law seem a bit confused themselves.

It reminds me of the various politicians who have been caught not paying all their taxes and they credibly claimed that the tax laws were so confusing, they didn't understand them. That excuse was even used by the Chair of the House Committee on Taxation, Charlie Rangel, one of the guys who writes the laws. If that dude can't understand tax law, how the @#$% are we supposed to?!? (I'm accepting at face value here that he isn't a sneaky, thieving, crooked politician and instead didn't understand his own laws).

OK, getting off my soap box...

Here's my experience, on the off chance this helps further our understanding of SBR law in Maryland. I submitted a Form 1 for an AR-15 SBR in July 2013. It was approved by BATFE in April 2014.

The length of the gun was listed on the Form 1 as 29".

Hope that helps.

Just got form 1 disapproved due to sb281

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