Engage to sell so called "smart gun"

clandestine · May 3, 2014

smokey0118 said:
Annnnnd chad got quoted in there out of context. It made it seem like he was saying he's not surprised gun owners would make death threats. Dern.

Its what reporters did to Andy. No reason to think they wouldn't do it to any one of us.

Isn't it funny they threaten to sue MDS if we quote news articles hsre, but take no issue with quoting our posts?

csanc123 · May 3, 2014

SWO Daddy · May 3, 2014

North86 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFRUVa-92Rk

Here is Padilla at the UN. Please note how she references GPS tracking.

Thanks for sharing that. Armatix is no friend of gun owners/RKBA. JMHO...we shouldn't be helping them import/promote their products, let alone submitting them to the MD Handgun Review Board.

I think some people fail to realize that this is technology designed to limit people, not assist them. Just saying "we should support technology" is ambiguous to the point of being worthless.

smokey · May 3, 2014

clandestine said:
Its what reporters did to Andy. No reason to think they wouldn't do it to any one of us.

Isn't it funny they threaten to sue MDS if we quote news articles hsre, but take no issue with quoting our posts?

yeah, they suck. I always knew there was news bias from back in my days of journalism classes when I had an interest in doing that stuff...but having first-hand experiences at beck's tea-party rally in dc and the many annapolis gun-days, then seeing how they are reported completely blew my mind. It was incredible to see directly just how blatant the misinformation campaigns are twisting the truth in our media.

In my classes, my teacher(who used to work for a few newspapers before going in to teaching), gave us realistic projects and taught real-world journalism. One such project was that each of us had to report on the same thing that happened at school, but we all had to develop our own slant to sell the story from a different angle. We were taught how to get supporting public opinion to put in our article by thinking of what quote we wanted, and then asking questions to get the quotes out of context from people. We also were taught that it was standard practice to literally script out a quote we wanted, and then walk around through crowds until someone would allow us to attribute that quote to them. It was probably one of the most honest classes I've ever taken towards a profession and completely ruined any interest I had in going into journalism.

You truly cannot trust a single thing you see in the news. Thinking people need to view the news as a starting-off point to develop questions and then launch their own individual fact-finding inquiries.

SWO Daddy · May 3, 2014

pbharvey said:
Products don't chip away at our rights.
Misguided politicians chip away at our rights.

Technology absolutely can and does enable politicians to chip away at our rights (NSA anyone?). We even have a video in this thread where a representative from this Armatrix company is advising the UN on how their products could be used to limit our freedoms. I can't believe people are even debating this.

teratos · May 3, 2014

SWO Daddy said:
Technology absolutely can and does enable politicians to chip away at our rights (NSA anyone?). We even have a video in this thread where a representative from this Armatrix company is advising the UN on how their products could be used to limit our freedoms. I can't believe people are even debating this.

That's why we have the Constitution in general and the 2A in particular. So we have the teeth the bite them when the government gives itself too much power. There was no doubt in the minds of the people who wrote the document that the government would always try to take power and liberty from The People.

smokey · May 3, 2014

SWO Daddy said:
Technology absolutely can and does enable politicians to chip away at our rights (NSA anyone?). We even have a video in this thread where a representative from this Armatrix company is advising the UN on how their products could be used to limit our freedoms. I can't believe people are even debating this.

yesss..... much like this diabolical psy-op technology used to train the next generation of NSA employees....

SWO Daddy · May 3, 2014

teratos said:
That's why we have the Constitution in general and the 2A in particular. So we have the teeth the bite them when the government gives itself too much power. There was no doubt in the minds of the people who wrote the document that the government would always try to take power and liberty from The People.

Please excuse me if I'm misinterpreting, but it appears you're saying we should wait for our rights to be infringed before we protect them? IE...sue?

I'm a fan of the "four boxes of liberty," which are, in order:

Soap Box --> Ballot Box --> Jury Box --> Ammo Box.

I'd rather fight this at the soap box (as I said, the only purpose of this technology, at its core, is to limit human freedom). Like we learned from the Heller decision, a right which is denied for an extended period of time (rights taken by the NFA...or more recently even, the Hughes Amendment) can disappear. I'd rather not depend on 9 people in black robes to recognize my rights.

teratos · May 3, 2014

SWO Daddy said:
Please excuse me if I'm misinterpreting, but it appears you're saying we should wait for our rights to be infringed before we protect them? IE...sue?

I'm a fan of the "four boxes of liberty," which are, in order:

Soap Box --> Ballot Box --> Jury Box --> Ammo Box.

I'd rather fight this at the soap box (as I said, the only purpose of this technology, at its core, is to limit human freedom). Like we learned from the Heller decision, a right which is denied for an extended period of time (rights taken by the NFA...or more recently even, the Hughes Amendment) can disappear. I'd rather not depend on 9 people in black robes to recognize my rights.

You are misinterpreting. It is the last line of defense. The rest of the Constitution gives us mechanisms to protect/defend our Rights. Even the 9 people in black robes. The 2A is for when all of that fails us. I am also a fan of the 4 boxes.

SWO Daddy · May 3, 2014

Here's a PBS video with Armatix/Padilla which even includes Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (didn't they provide testimony for SB281/Woolard?) director endorsing the technology:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/nation-july-dec13-guns_10-17/

SWO Daddy · May 3, 2014

teratos said:
You are misinterpreting. It is the last line of defense. The rest of the Constitution gives us mechanisms to protect/defend our Rights. Even the 9 people in black robes. The 2A is for when all of that fails us. I am also a fan of the 4 boxes.

Ok, got it. Sounds like we're in general agreement.

teratos · May 3, 2014

SWO Daddy said:
Ok, got it. Sounds like we're in general agreement.

Most of us here probably are. I don't think the politicians take that seriously. They need to. I firmly believe that there are enough in this Country who feel as we do that the second American Revolution will be fairly short.

DC-W · May 3, 2014

Visited Engage late this morning and supported the hell out of them:

I hope to be bringing my upper by sometime in the near future for a Dissipator conversion. Awesome shop and awesome dog.

iH8DemLibz · May 3, 2014

That does it.

If they have stickers, I gotta make a road trip.

The back of my van has some holes that need filling in.

The three hour round trip to Rockville is going to suck though.

iggy · May 3, 2014

Andy had mentioned the Chris Hayes show in his video so I did a search. It sounds like the slant of the story changed quite a but since the SHTF.

Here is a link to a preview of the piece set to air Monday.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=EC981D7F94D478D2DE64EC981D7F94D478D2DE64

:outta her

iH8DemLibz · May 3, 2014

Will these people be required to have TWO handgun safes?

One for the gun and one for the watch.

Or just hang the gun over your fireplace and lock-up the watch.

If you lose or break your watch, can you get a replacement watch?

No matter how you slice it and dice it, it's a really bad idea all the way around.

"It'll never work".

DC-W · May 3, 2014

iH8DemLibz said:
That does it.

If they have stickers, I gotta make a road trip.

The back of my van has some holes that need filling in.

The three hour round trip to Rockville is going to suck though.

Just under 2 hours from my domain in Dundalk, there and back. Stickers are free and they have gobs of 'em. T-shirts are $15. I splurged on the hat ($25), but I've wanted a range hat for a while.

If I had the funds, I would have left with that wall of HBARs, lol. Really, really good looking work.

rambling_one · May 3, 2014

teratos said:
That's why we have the Constitution in general and the 2A in particular. So we have the teeth the bite them when the government gives itself too much power. There was no doubt in the minds of the people who wrote the document that the government would always try to take power and liberty from The People.

It's getting those in power to stop ignoring the "piece of paper" that is a problem.

Yoshi · May 3, 2014

clandestine said:
Its what reporters did to Andy. No reason to think they wouldn't do it to any one of us.

Isn't it funny they threaten to sue MDS if we quote news articles hsre, but take no issue with quoting our posts?

Might be the right time to return the favor!

teratos · May 3, 2014

rambling_one said:
It's getting those in power to stop ignoring the "piece of paper" that is a problem.

I agree. We say it with all sincerity. They think we are kidding.

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