Using Birdshot for Home Defense

fivepointstar · Aug 20, 2014

Wanted to share a good video using #8 Birdshot as a Home Defense round

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97sjv11yesc

The #8 birdshot easily penetrated through dry wall. But when shooting through the rib and pork shoulder, it penetrated through the meat but not through the drywall behind it. The #4 shot did penetrate the drywall.

fivepointstar · Aug 20, 2014

Here is #7 Birdshot vs buckshot vs Slug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCnKo6-NKQ

traveller · Aug 20, 2014

Do you anticipate an attack by small birds ?

teratos · Aug 20, 2014

I wouldn't.

vinjet700 · Aug 20, 2014

whatever it takes....

RoboRay · Aug 20, 2014

If you shoot someone to make them think, you're doing it wrong.

Kman · Aug 20, 2014

Birdshot would be more than enough against me.

Then again, I'm not a lump of sh1t that breaks into houses.

Alea Jacta Est · Aug 20, 2014

Since when are fleschettes not preferred?

lx1x · Aug 20, 2014

why bother.. if ya follow bidens recommendation.. it really doesnt matter... haa

Docster · Aug 20, 2014

Has anyone considered the force of the blast? Even from birdshot, how many intruders can withstand the force of being hit , that is stay on their feet, in a close, in-home environment? The goal is to stop the threat, not necessarily kill.

Once the intruder is down, there's the option to rack another round and offer it to them.

ThawMyTongue · Aug 20, 2014

Docster said:
Has anyone considered the force of the blast? Even from birdshot, how many intruders can withstand the force of being hit , that is stay on their feet, in a close, in-home environment? The goal is to stop the threat, not necessarily kill.

Once the intruder is down, there's the option to rack another round and offer it to them.

Mythbusters did some tests with this. As I remember point blank 00 buck didn't move the dummy wearing body armor. I doubt birdshot is going to effect the momentum of a 200lb man. I'll see if I can find the video.

alucard0822 · Aug 20, 2014

Birdshot can hit as essentially a single fragmenting projectile at really close range(within about 6'), plenty of reports where the shot column penetrated sufficiently and stopped an attacker. Problem is with any barrier the shot is dispersed, and the more dispersion the smaller the column is, and the more it acts like a lot of individual pellets that flat out can't penetrate sufficiently. There is a reason manufacturers don't test against roasts, they lack skin, which is incredibly tough, and can equal up to 4" of gel in resistance to penetration. The moisture content and muscle density is far less, what makes prepared meat tender makes it much easier to penetrate. The 3 or 4" thick pieces only showed that load can penetrate that thickness, which isn't enough. There is a reason ballistics gel is used as a standard, and even then it isn't perfect, but is at least comparable and consistent. Would be nice if drywall was tougher than criminals, but it isn't, so if something will stop a threat, it will easily punch through drywall, if it can't punch through several sheets of drywall, it won't reliably stop a threat.

alucard0822 · Aug 20, 2014

Docster said:
Has anyone considered the force of the blast? Even from birdshot, how many intruders can withstand the force of being hit , that is stay on their feet, in a close, in-home environment? The goal is to stop the threat, not necessarily kill.

Once the intruder is down, there's the option to rack another round and offer it to them.

Simple physics, the action = reaction thing, if the recoil doesn't knock a person down, neither will the projectile.

ThawMyTongue · Aug 20, 2014

Found the video... 00 buck knocks a hanging dummy back about 2 inches:

HortusQ · Aug 20, 2014

if they are silver dimes are they good for werewolves and vampires ?
go with and open choke

Mooseman · Aug 20, 2014

traveller said:
Do you anticipate an attack by small birds ?

Thanks to Alfred Hitchcock, yes I do.

BradMacc82 · Aug 20, 2014

Birdshot for HD?

A saying comes to mind - "You can shyt in a urinal, but it isn't the preferred method".

Rack&Roll · Aug 20, 2014

There always "cut shells" . It's kind of an art. With a knife, cut 3/4 of the way around the shell at about the halfway point. Turns it into a rough slug and it is nasty.

Google Barry at Moss Pawn for his Youtube video on this

(R.I.P. Barry, just died recently)

Inigoes · Aug 20, 2014

ThawMyTongue said:
Mythbusters did some tests with this. As I remember point blank 00 buck didn't move the dummy wearing body armor. I doubt birdshot is going to effect the momentum of a 200lb man. I'll see if I can find the video.

Birdshot tenderizes the assailant. The assailant will be picking BB's out of their carcass the rest of their life. It does not incapacitate them.

How do I know? My dumbazz brother got a case of the stupid one night, and got shot by the person who azz he wanted to kick over a woman at the time. The distance was from the front door to the edge of the porch.

Moral of the story: Birdshot is for the birds, buckshot is for bad guys.

Alan3413 · Aug 20, 2014

Docster said:
Has anyone considered the force of the blast? Even from birdshot, how many intruders can withstand the force of being hit , that is stay on their feet, in a close, in-home environment?

The force of the blast is exactly what you're feeling in the recoil. Conservation of momentum. If you're not knocked down by the blast, neither will BG. Hollywood depiction of people flying into the wall when hit by a shotgun are purely for dramatic effect.

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