Medshot
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- Jul 24, 2013
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FOR COMPONENTS OF APPLICATION, SEE THE "HOW to APPLY for a MARYLAND Carry Permit sticky (http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=77878) AS WELL as the MSP website. (https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/SupportServicesBureau/LicensingDivision/MainLicensingPage/LicensingandRegistration/Firearms/WearandCarryPermit.aspx)
http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...singDivision/Firearms/WearandCarryPermit.aspx
This is NOT in any way a statement of "LET'S APPLY NOW, QUICK, GO, GO, GO!" This is meant as a means for us to get more information in general as well as regarding the political environment, to be able to come together and agree to various aspects of the process, and then submit together as a unified group, and the larger the better. Of course I hope that this is *sooner* rather than later, but that is all within the eye of the beholder.
GROUP in-person submission date: Late October/Early November *TBD
GROUP mail date: Late October/Early November *TBD
Language of using self-defense as G&S (will be modified according to all input from this thread):
THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE AT THE MOMENT, ORIGINALLY CREATED BY BBGUNN177. IT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN ADVISEMENT FOR A FINAL SUBMISSION FOR G&S REASONING
"There is no duty for the Maryland State Police, any of the 24 Sheriff Departments in the State, or the numerous County and Municipal Police Departments to protect it citizens, we the taxpayers. This has been established by the following court cases:
Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005).
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1, (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989; 489 U.S. 189 (1989)).
Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins (304 U.S. 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188 (1938)).
It is therefore incumbent that the MSP issue permits that grant the ability to Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) to applying, law-abiding citizens of Maryland, as the MSP is charged by state law to administer the licensing of Concealed Carry Permits. These permits allow for a law-abiding citizen of Maryland to ensure personal protection - using all lawful purposes - against all potential threats. Again, this addresses that every police organization in the state of Maryland has no duty to protect the individual citizen; the individual citizen needs to be able to protect themselves.
INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT REGARDING THEIR OWN PERSONAL VIEW OF WHY A CCW PERMIT IS A "REASONABLE PRECAUTION AGAINST DANGER" WOULD GO HERE. REMEMBER THAT A TEMPLATE IS WONDERFUL FOR EXPRESSING UNIFORMITY, BUT EACH APPLICATION SHOULD EXPRESS YOUR OWN PERSON REASONS WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS PERMIT. CITE PERSONAL HISTORY, ADDITIONAL CASES, WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE MAY HELP.
Based on the above please find my completed application for a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit."
Members explicitly expressing interest within this thread (training accomplished or waived):
(This is only for making sure I'm accounting for everyone who does NOT need training. Please PM if you do, and I'll move you onto the list of members who need training. If you would like your name removed from this, please PM me and I'll do so immediately.)
Gryphon
Vgplayer
Medshot
Frogman68
MEAT
Afrikeber
Ellegon
Brownspotz
Noidea01
Tomgreco
Raginrog
Beretta_maven
Txaggie
Navycraig
Pwoolford
Mxrider
Camobob
Kevmo
Embermage
Rick3Bears
TopTechAgent
DCSCO
PlatoonDaddy
Kevmo
Rick3Bears
Rambling_one
MoToMD
David2260
Cougar7890
From MSP web site:
Who needs to take the training?
Every original application and renewal application submitted after October 1, 2013, unless exempt. If you are any one of the below you are exempted.
1. You are an active law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
2. You are a retired law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
3. You are an active, retired, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard.
4. You are a Qualified Handgun Instructor registered with the Maryland State Police.
5. You have successfully completed a firearms training course given by a Qualified Handgun Instructor. (The on-line firearm safety course is no longer accepted).
Future Training Classes (will add more options if they are mentioned in this thread):
May 23rd-24th (Bigt5g)
POSSIBLY the month of September http://www.ddctraining.net/ (Bigt5g)
Every Month: https://teamhousetraining.com/ (mtnwisdom)
Members in need of training to satisfy requirements:
Snallygaster
Ironpony
Reloader
Mrniceguy
Hogarth
Bbgunn177
Cbrxx
Overboost44
Magnumst
Atlasarmory
ProtegeV
aray
Hawkeye
Slowhand
DevilDog
Original Post:
I know myself and at least 3 others have said they intend to be guinea pigs for the use of self-defense as our G&S, so I figured why not create a thread and try and get many people to submit at the same time, for the same reason? If nothing else, to get a running tally of how many submissions are going to be thrown at the MSP. (Obviously if you prefer to remain anonymous, this wouldn't apply.)
My class that satisfies the 16hr-requirement is next Saturday, the 18th. After that, I'll be keeping an eye out for the response to ericahls's letter in their thread, but otherwise, I'm ready to take the plunge right after.
Now I'm very aware that there may be zero chance of success until AFTER the GA is done with their special session. That said, I'm willing to give it two shots if the first doesn't succeed...and if both don't...well, we'll just have to wait and see.
http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...singDivision/Firearms/WearandCarryPermit.aspx
This is NOT in any way a statement of "LET'S APPLY NOW, QUICK, GO, GO, GO!" This is meant as a means for us to get more information in general as well as regarding the political environment, to be able to come together and agree to various aspects of the process, and then submit together as a unified group, and the larger the better. Of course I hope that this is *sooner* rather than later, but that is all within the eye of the beholder.
GROUP in-person submission date: Late October/Early November *TBD
GROUP mail date: Late October/Early November *TBD
Language of using self-defense as G&S (will be modified according to all input from this thread):
THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE AT THE MOMENT, ORIGINALLY CREATED BY BBGUNN177. IT IS NOT INTENDED AS AN ADVISEMENT FOR A FINAL SUBMISSION FOR G&S REASONING
"There is no duty for the Maryland State Police, any of the 24 Sheriff Departments in the State, or the numerous County and Municipal Police Departments to protect it citizens, we the taxpayers. This has been established by the following court cases:
Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005).
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1, (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989; 489 U.S. 189 (1989)).
Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins (304 U.S. 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188 (1938)).
It is therefore incumbent that the MSP issue permits that grant the ability to Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) to applying, law-abiding citizens of Maryland, as the MSP is charged by state law to administer the licensing of Concealed Carry Permits. These permits allow for a law-abiding citizen of Maryland to ensure personal protection - using all lawful purposes - against all potential threats. Again, this addresses that every police organization in the state of Maryland has no duty to protect the individual citizen; the individual citizen needs to be able to protect themselves.
INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT REGARDING THEIR OWN PERSONAL VIEW OF WHY A CCW PERMIT IS A "REASONABLE PRECAUTION AGAINST DANGER" WOULD GO HERE. REMEMBER THAT A TEMPLATE IS WONDERFUL FOR EXPRESSING UNIFORMITY, BUT EACH APPLICATION SHOULD EXPRESS YOUR OWN PERSON REASONS WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS PERMIT. CITE PERSONAL HISTORY, ADDITIONAL CASES, WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE MAY HELP.
Based on the above please find my completed application for a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit."
Members explicitly expressing interest within this thread (training accomplished or waived):
(This is only for making sure I'm accounting for everyone who does NOT need training. Please PM if you do, and I'll move you onto the list of members who need training. If you would like your name removed from this, please PM me and I'll do so immediately.)
Gryphon
Vgplayer
Medshot
Frogman68
MEAT
Afrikeber
Ellegon
Brownspotz
Noidea01
Tomgreco
Raginrog
Beretta_maven
Txaggie
Navycraig
Pwoolford
Mxrider
Camobob
Kevmo
Embermage
Rick3Bears
TopTechAgent
DCSCO
PlatoonDaddy
Kevmo
Rick3Bears
Rambling_one
MoToMD
David2260
Cougar7890
From MSP web site:
Who needs to take the training?
Every original application and renewal application submitted after October 1, 2013, unless exempt. If you are any one of the below you are exempted.
1. You are an active law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
2. You are a retired law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
3. You are an active, retired, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard.
4. You are a Qualified Handgun Instructor registered with the Maryland State Police.
5. You have successfully completed a firearms training course given by a Qualified Handgun Instructor. (The on-line firearm safety course is no longer accepted).
Future Training Classes (will add more options if they are mentioned in this thread):
May 23rd-24th (Bigt5g)
POSSIBLY the month of September http://www.ddctraining.net/ (Bigt5g)
Every Month: https://teamhousetraining.com/ (mtnwisdom)
Members in need of training to satisfy requirements:
Snallygaster
Ironpony
Reloader
Mrniceguy
Hogarth
Bbgunn177
Cbrxx
Overboost44
Magnumst
Atlasarmory
ProtegeV
aray
Hawkeye
Slowhand
DevilDog
Original Post:
I know myself and at least 3 others have said they intend to be guinea pigs for the use of self-defense as our G&S, so I figured why not create a thread and try and get many people to submit at the same time, for the same reason? If nothing else, to get a running tally of how many submissions are going to be thrown at the MSP. (Obviously if you prefer to remain anonymous, this wouldn't apply.)
My class that satisfies the 16hr-requirement is next Saturday, the 18th. After that, I'll be keeping an eye out for the response to ericahls's letter in their thread, but otherwise, I'm ready to take the plunge right after.
Now I'm very aware that there may be zero chance of success until AFTER the GA is done with their special session. That said, I'm willing to give it two shots if the first doesn't succeed...and if both don't...well, we'll just have to wait and see.
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need more training exempt to keep the cost down
