MSP issuing warrants after online purchases of AR parts

gtodave · Jul 31, 2015

One of my LEO buddies told me that he just executed three warrants brought to him by MSP for potential violations of Maryland's 2013 Gun Safety law.

Apparently, MSP is subpoenaing sales records for online vendors who will ship parts in to MD, and if the parts don't jive with the current law, warrants are issued.

He mentioned that MSP is also using records from sales of lowers to help target individuals. I don't know how that would be accomplished, but he said that it would be a "flag" to cross reference with the online sales records.

I don't doubt that at least part of this is true (I'd be stupid to doubt ANYTHING like this in this day and age), but it screams a little of big-brother-gov't snooping. The takeaway message for me was to be careful with online purchases.

pbharvey · Jul 31, 2015

What parts don't jive with current law?

StantonCree · Jul 31, 2015

No offense but I call BS. No judge in their right mind is gonna sign a warrant for a non Hbar upper purchase or muzzle device or whatever based on MSP lower records!

Maybe illegal attempted sales of banned guns on like armslist or something but NO CHANCE based on like a Midway purchase!

I've had judge decline search warrants with WAY more legit PC

protegeV · Jul 31, 2015

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Jaybeez · Jul 31, 2015

my first guess is that your leo friend misunderstood what he was talking about. my second is that you misunderstood what he is talking about. my third guess is that your post is entirely one hundred percent accurate, but that the people named in the warrants were openly flaunting or bragging about breaking the law online, like on a md gun trader page on facebook.

5.56blaster · Jul 31, 2015

mpdc4511 said:
No offense but I call BS. No judge in their right mind is gonna sign a warrant for a non Hbar upper purchase or muzzle device or whatever based on MSP lower records!

Maybe illegal attempted sales of banned guns on like armslist or something but NO CHANCE based on like a Midway purchase!

I've had judge decline search warrants with WAY more legit PC

I have to agree. Sounds like BS to me.

Blacksmith101 · Jul 31, 2015

What parts are illegal to buy for repair of legally owned preban firearms?

TheRealJimDavis · Jul 31, 2015

I know that sometimes prohibited people/felons purchase ammo/parts and through investigation pc for a warrant is found. But that's not random spot checking.

i.e., you're a prohibited drug dealer, your competition or ex gf knows you bought or own stuff, they pull records and develop pc.

Mr H · Jul 31, 2015

I could almost see something like this, for lowers purchased after sales began again this year???

But it still sounds strange.

Mark75H · Jul 31, 2015

Jaybeez said:
... people named in the warrants were openly flaunting or bragging about breaking the law online, like on a md gun trader page on facebook.

I think this is the most likely scenario. A personal aquantance of mine was prosecuted and convicted via crossreferencing his Facebook page with his history. He was unaware that he had become a prohibited person.

I suspect that MSP has compiled a database of all prohibited persons in MD and continually or automatically follow them on social media for possible violations.

The software tool would not be that hard to develop.

stringer bell · Jul 31, 2015

lol...

so while there hasn't been one reported case of the state police or any local leo, going to a public range and running serial numbers, measuring barrel thickness or OAL since the bill went into effect. MSP is jumping directly to search warrants.

no... it doesn't work like that. By chance is you buddy messing with you, we love messing with this one retarded guy at work as he quite gullible, we had him believing that Obama signed an executive order that world force him to move out of his house so that it could be turned into section 8 housing.

Armadillofz1 · Jul 31, 2015

Maybe i wouldn't put this past some activist judge, but i can't imagine that warrant standing up. But then again you live in a state that taxes you for water falling from the sky. So a warrant searching for mickey mouse under pluto's left ear may be status quo.

pwoolford · Jul 31, 2015

stringer bell said:
lol...

so while there hasn't been one reported case of the state police or any local leo, going to a public range and running serial numbers, measuring barrel thickness or OAL since the bill went into effect. MSP is jumping directly to search warrants.

no... it doesn't work like that. By chance is you buddy messing with you, we love messing with this one retarded guy at work as he quite gullible, we had him believing that Obama signed an executive order that world force him to move out of his house so that it could be turned into section 8 housing.

I'm still mad the the writers of The Wire for killing Stringer off.

trickg · Jul 31, 2015

gtodave said:
...Apparently, MSP is subpoenaing sales records for online vendors who will ship parts in to MD, and if the parts don't jive with the current law, warrants are issued.

A common mistake, but I believe the word you are looking for is "jibe."

jibe
.
.
.
verb
be in accord; agree.

jive
noun
1. a lively style of dance popular especially in the 1940s and 1950s, performed to swing music or rock and roll.

•swing music.
•a style of dance music popular in South Africa.
"township jive"

2.
a form of slang associated with black American jazz musicians.

eruby · Jul 31, 2015

trickg said:
A common mistake, but I believe the word you are looking for is "jibe."

jibe
.
.
.
verb
be in accord; agree.

jive
noun
1. a lively style of dance popular especially in the 1940s and 1950s, performed to swing music or rock and roll.

•swing music.
•a style of dance music popular in South Africa.
"township jive"

2.
a form of slang associated with black American jazz musicians.

Or the movie Airplane.

Rack&Roll · Jul 31, 2015

Yo, wuz up wit all dat jibe talkin'

Jibe Tallking, don't tell me no lies.....

A1Uni · Jul 31, 2015

mpdc4511 said:
No offense but I call BS. No judge in their right mind is gonna sign a warrant for a non Hbar upper purchase or muzzle device or whatever based on MSP lower records!

Maybe illegal attempted sales of banned guns on like armslist or something but NO CHANCE based on like a Midway purchase!

I've had judge decline search warrants with WAY more legit PC

This /\, a hundred times, THIS /\

montoya32 · Jul 31, 2015

Blacksmith101 said:
What parts are illegal to buy for repair of legally owned preban firearms?

Mags over 10 rds. Might not be "repair" parts, just online purchases of firearm products.

I can't see the MSP being detail oriented to read invoices and know what the hell they are reading.

MDFF2008 · Jul 31, 2015

mpdc4511 said:
No offense but I call BS. No judge in their right mind is gonna sign a warrant for a non Hbar upper purchase or muzzle device or whatever based on MSP lower records!

Maybe illegal attempted sales of banned guns on like armslist or something but NO CHANCE based on like a Midway purchase!

I've had judge decline search warrants with WAY more legit PC

Ehh, no offense, but the courts have shown a near complete disregard when it comes to 2A. It pretty much seems like you could write "guns are bad" and the courts will give you just about anything you want.

Blaster229 · Jul 31, 2015

Rack&Roll said:
Yo, wuz up wit all dat jibe talkin'

Jibe Tallking, don't tell me no lies.....

No, i do believe it is JIVE

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