thomfantomas
Crna Ovca
think I'm SOL on the Saiga 12 since oct.2013 passed many months ago?!?!?? but I plan on buying either one around or before tax time of 2015 so school me on the difference between both of them where,how much,pros&cons etc...
Saiga 12 or Vepr 12?
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VEPR 12 is a much, much better buy at $800. Just be aware that you can't unpin the folding stock anymore.
BLACKTALON
Ammo is like food
agreed totally
2A Sales has a Saiga 12 in stock.
clint
Active Member
VEPR 12 looks cool and seems to have much better construction/reliability. I'm surprised it is legal in MD. They can be shot insanely fast: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R1l8p3qPIXU I sort of want one after watching that video.
rob-cubed
In need of moderation
VEPR-12. Major upgrades:
- Last round BHO
- Magwell--no rock-and-lock
- Easy to load a full mag with bolt closed
- Auto-adjusting gas system
- Better safety selector (though I find it a bit annoying)
- Folding stock (though you can't grind the weld in Marylandistan anymore)
Prior to the VEPR-12, guys spent a lot of time modding their Saigas to reach the same level of performance. Both are fun, but MOLOT took it to the next level. The biggest upgrade is the auto-gas system, there are drop-in replacements for the Saiga but it adds to the cost.
- Last round BHO
- Magwell--no rock-and-lock
- Easy to load a full mag with bolt closed
- Auto-adjusting gas system
- Better safety selector (though I find it a bit annoying)
- Folding stock (though you can't grind the weld in Marylandistan anymore)
Prior to the VEPR-12, guys spent a lot of time modding their Saigas to reach the same level of performance. Both are fun, but MOLOT took it to the next level. The biggest upgrade is the auto-gas system, there are drop-in replacements for the Saiga but it adds to the cost.
rsj1231
Ultimate Member
clint
Active Member
I've looked at a number of Vepr 12 online and they all look different than what's being sold. I assume people commonly modify them or I'm not finding different models of it for sale.
Be careful of your non-US parts content if attaching a non-sporting mag. 922(r) compliance is an issue. There are pages of information, and even a 922(r) compliance calculator, on the Saiga 12 forum.
ericoak
don't drop Aboma on me
Are there drums available for the VEPR?
BLACKTALON
Ammo is like food
yes 25 rounds
ericoak
don't drop Aboma on me
How are they compared to the MD arms Saiga drums?
240 towles
master of puppets
I'm gonna say saiga. lots of established parts sellers with tons of options. Mississippi shooter supply, carolina shooters supply, pretty much everywhere you can get conversion parts an accessories.
jasonk1229
Ultimate Member
V12 all the way
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
I've owned both. My s12 was very reliable on low and high brass, so is my Vepr 12. To make the S12 reliable I had to smooth the bolt/hammer and tweak the gas system. The S12 is more difficult to load, but has a wider selection of aftermarket magazines, including my favorite the 12 round pro-mag drums (the only decent mage pro-mag makes).
The V12 has a last round bolt hold open and a mag well which makes changing your expensive magazines much much easier. The V12 also just works out of the box where the S12 needs help.
Finally the S12 has a side rail where the V12 has a plastic top rail. I prefer the side rail.
-Jim
The V12 has a last round bolt hold open and a mag well which makes changing your expensive magazines much much easier. The V12 also just works out of the box where the S12 needs help.
Finally the S12 has a side rail where the V12 has a plastic top rail. I prefer the side rail.
-Jim
PowPow
Where's the beef?
I only wish that were the case for mine. My V12 needed about 200 rounds of 3" through it before I could reliably dump a 10 or 12 round mag of 2 3/4". I have two 10rd and two 12rd mags, so it wasn't particular to a given mag. I tried a few different brands of shells. Same issues. But running 3" S&B did the trick. Now it seems to eat anything.
Oldcarjunkie
R.I.P
Vepr 12 is IMO the upgrade. It has all the things you would do to your Saiga but for 799.99 and free shipping. I couldnt beat it so i just bought one myself. I received it a few weeks ago and the first time out i shot everything through it with no issies including, slugs, duck shot and cheap walmart bird shot. 100% reliable. I just added a PA red dot to it the other day thanks for the 49.99 sale.. figure ill give it a shot.
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BLACKTALON
Ammo is like food
better easier to load and nicer fit and finish
PowPow
Where's the beef?
Which mag(s) did you run with it?
Oldcarjunkie
R.I.P
Thats was the first time out, i only have the factory 5 round so far, Im actually looking for mags as we speak. Would LOVE a drum if someone knows where i can get one..
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