AR15 needed to buy a cup of coffee at the airport

BigDaddy · Jul 29, 2014

A**holes like this aren't helping our cause:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2014/07/28/tempe-man-with-rifle-arrested-at-sky-harbor-abrk/13297867/

Not his first time either:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/07/29/phoenix-airport-rifle-arrest/13322887/

Brooklyn · Jul 30, 2014

The counts stem from when Steinmetz removed the AR-15 from his shoulder and the muzzle faced toward a woman and her daughter in a waiting area in Terminal 4, according to police. Both the woman and her daughter reported fearing for their safety, police said.

???

Scabbard anyone ?

Blaster229 · Jul 30, 2014

So he drove there, paid for parking or took the light rail, walked into the airport for starbucks? The guy is a wacko.

hodgepodge · Jul 30, 2014

I get that Long Gun Open Carry is probably even more legal in AZ than it is in MD, but I'm not sure that this is good for the cause. My understanding is that it's relatively easy to get a handgun permit in AZ. Go with that.

Kman · Jul 30, 2014

hodgepodge said:
I get that Long Gun Open Carry is probably even more legal in AZ than it is in MD, but I'm not sure that this is good for the cause. My understanding is that it's relatively easy to get a handgun permit in AZ. Go with that.

My inlaws live in AZ.

If you can buy it legally in AZ, you can carry concealed, except in bars. No permit required.

sleepingdino · Jul 30, 2014

Normal people understand the guy who is open carrying is the guy you would shoot first if you are the BG.

Blaster229 · Jul 30, 2014

Regardless of carry, no carry, permit, no permit, etc...... Who goes to the airport to buy a cup of coffee?

webb297 · Jul 30, 2014

Blaster229 said:
Regardless of carry, no carry, permit, no permit, etc...... Who goes to the airport to buy a cup of coffee?

Somebody trying to make a political/theatrical statement with a firearm. Also, somebody without good judgement.

abean4187 · Jul 30, 2014

Guys a douche. Makes us all look bad.

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 30, 2014

Sometimes I wonder why I work so hard trying to convince the non-gun people I know that gun owners are perfectly sane, rational citizens and the AR-15 is not the weapon of mass destruction and terror it's made out to be. It's like working so hard to make a painting and then a hyperactive five year old draws all over it with a marker because he thinks he's an artist too.

cantstop · Jul 30, 2014

I have no words for this.

eventhorizon · Jul 30, 2014

Sounds like they need to do some neurological studies on HIM.

pilotguy · Jul 30, 2014

Ha ha - the guy is literally a brain surgeon:

Steinmetz is director of the neuroengineering program

Boxcab · Jul 30, 2014

Sounds like the guy was looking to be arrested, and that he will push this in court. I'm sure there is video of the event, I would like to see if anyone was actually swept by the muzzle. That is always my problem with long gun carry, it's hard to not sweep someone in a crowded area even if it is in a scabbard. I was behind an LEO going up an escalator at ORF airport. The whole time his holstered side arm's muzzle was pointing at my mid-section.

I'm not saying I agree with this guys methods, but he may have a well thought out (in his mind) plan.

Or not.

It will be interesting to follow and see what becomes of this.

traveller · Jul 30, 2014

He is a scientist alright. He managed to prove one thing: You can be highly educated yet not have any common sense at all.

Brooklyn · Jul 30, 2014

Boxcab said:
Sounds like the guy was looking to be arrested, and that he will push this in court. I'm sure there is video of the event, I would like to see if anyone was actually swept by the muzzle. That is always my problem with long gun carry, it's hard to not sweep someone in a crowded area even if it is in a scabbard. I was behind an LEO going up an escalator at ORF airport. The whole time his holstered side arm's muzzle was pointing at my mid-section.

I'm not saying I agree with this guys methods, but he may have a well thought out (in his mind) plan.

Or not.

It will be interesting to follow and see what becomes of this.

So it counts as a sweep if the trigger is covered by a scabbard? What if it's in a full case?

Not saying muzzle discipline should be ignored, but really...in a scabbard is not safe?

yellowfin · Jul 30, 2014

webb297 said:
Somebody trying to make a political/theatrical statement with a firearm. Also, somebody without good judgement.

And likely working for the other side. This accomplishes the anti gun organizations' goals, so there's absolutely no reason they wouldn't be the ones doing this.

K.C.Dean · Jul 30, 2014

yellowfin said:
And likely working for the other side. This accomplishes the anti gun organizations' goals, so there's absolutely no reason they wouldn't be the ones doing this.

I agree 100%!

Blaster229 · Jul 31, 2014

Brooklyn said:
So it counts as a sweep if the trigger is covered by a scabbard? What if it's in a full case?

Not saying muzzle discipline should be ignored, but really...in a scabbard is not safe?

We need to ban all shoulder holsters

Boxcab · Jul 31, 2014

Brooklyn said:
So it counts as a sweep if the trigger is covered by a scabbard? What if it's in a full case?

Not saying muzzle discipline should be ignored, but really...in a scabbard is not safe?

Some think so...

Blaster229 said:
We need to ban all shoulder holsters

There is no clear consensus on this. To the those who do not own guns, any sweep is dangerous.

Was I in "fear for my life"? No. I felt perfectly safe.

Anyhow, my topic was on long gun carry, no scabbard. Hard not to sweep someone in a crowded area if you need to transition from muzzle up to muzzle down, or when slung behind you.

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