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brentb636 · Jul 9, 2014

toolness1 said:
Here's the markings on mine for comparison. Nothing on mine that leads me to believe it's a date. The only markings on the slide on mine is "PA-63" on the left side, then on the underside dust cover part is the serial number again. I don't have the crest anywhere on mine.

Toolness,
Look at the "Circle Kll 14" stamp next to mag release. I think that the "14" is actually "74" . All the Sevens look like exaggerated ONES. My two R-61 pistols have the same "circle Kll" stamp with numbers. On the R-61 pistols , the "commie" crest is on the left side of slide, rather than on trigger guard, and the slide is serialized under the muzzle to match the frame s/n. One is a 74 and one is 76. http://www.hungariae.com/FegPA63.htm http://www.hungariae.com/FegR61.htm http://www.pmulcahy.com/pistols/hungarian_pistols.htm

There is quite a bit of contradiction in the links. I believe the progression of model 59, 61 and 63 to be the start of the model runs. The model 59 , with an all aluminum frame was shortlived. The alloy frame of the R61 and PA63 was a success.

Brent

Machodoc · Jul 9, 2014

brentb636 said:
Looking at my old records, FEG pistols that I owned and sold, [...]

SOLD??!! Somebody get a rope ...! :lol:

brentb636 · Jul 9, 2014

I'm so-o-o sorry ....

toolness1 · Jul 9, 2014

brentb636 said:
Looking at my old records, FEG pistols that I owned and sold, all had 2 characters and 4 numbers as a serial number. None of those pistols had date stamps or crests on them. I'm theorizing that the early build pistols, while Hungary was still "Commie" may be the ones with the crest and date stamp, and S/n like C1082 ( single alpha character) . My 4 new acquisition pistols, 2 PA-63 ( double-alpha s/n ) and 2 R-61 (single alpha s/n) , have stamps that appear to be date stamps, possibly indicating production during the communist era in Hungary.

More thoughts. ... Perhaps the versions with a crest were Military production, rather than police production ?
Brent

I can't remember the name of the forum for the life of me, but there's a current thread somewhere with a Hungarian law enforcement officer who is still currently issued a PA-63.

I also have a PJK-9HP (Hi Power exact copy) with the extended safety and slide release. It's extremely well made. I wouldn't mind getting more of their stuff.

toolness1 · Jul 9, 2014

brentb636 said:
Toolness,
Look at the "Circle Kll 14" stamp next to mag release. I think that the "14" is actually "74" . All the Sevens look like exaggerated ONES. My two R-61 pistols have the same "circle Kll" stamp with numbers. On the R-61 pistols , the "commie" crest is on the left side of slide, rather than on trigger guard, and the slide is serialized under the muzzle to match the frame s/n. One is a 74 and one is 76. http://www.hungariae.com/FegPA63.htm http://www.hungariae.com/FegR61.htm http://www.pmulcahy.com/pistols/hungarian_pistols.htm

There is quite a bit of contradiction in the links. I believe the progression of model 59, 61 and 63 to be the start of the model runs. The model 59 , with an all aluminum frame was shortlived. The alloy frame of the R61 and PA63 was a success.

Brent

Yeah, I think you're right. That makes sense. I never even looked closer at it, just registered as a "14" to me at first!

toolness1 · Jul 9, 2014

Google skills, I found it!

Check this out if you care about FEG's or PA-63's
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?319632-PA-63-is-still-very-much-alive-in-Hungary

"The PA-63 has been one of the official sidearms of the Hungarian police since...... well '63
Being a police officer in Hungary I carry one every day.
Although personally I think this sturdy little pistol does not fulfill modern expectations as a police sidearm, I like its simplicity and ruggedness."

brentb636 · Jul 9, 2014

That's a GREAT thread. Had a hard time remembering my old password, but I got it finally !

Alphabrew · Jul 9, 2014

We must have missed these M39s at AIM, gone now...

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...Finnish+WWII+Model+1939+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant

4095fanatic · Jul 10, 2014

Alphabrew said:
We must have missed these M39s at AIM, gone now...

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...Finnish+WWII+Model+1939+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant

I'll be watching like a hawk

Melnic · Jul 10, 2014

Alphabrew said:
We must have missed these M39s at AIM, gone now... http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=1356&name=Finnish+WWII+Model+1939+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant

Dayyym
Prices sure are up

Alphabrew · Jul 10, 2014

I don't want to dedicate a thread to this, but did anyone notice that the July 4th shooting involved 9mm Makarov? At least it was 9mm Mak ammo, the pistol wasn't recovered. Moron probably tried to use that in his Glock. Anyway, hope this isn't bad news for C&R guns...

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/ne...cle_1b0c71cb-9169-5de0-b9b2-5688cf28e8d8.html

yellowsled · Jul 10, 2014

Alphabrew said:
I don't want to dedicate a thread to this, but did anyone notice that the July 4th shooting involved 9mm Makarov? At least it was 9mm Mak ammo, the pistol wasn't recovered. Moron probably tried to use that in his Glock. Anyway, hope this isn't bad news for C&R guns...

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/ne...cle_1b0c71cb-9169-5de0-b9b2-5688cf28e8d8.html

Taking bets.. Was it a P64, PA63, CZ82, or a MAK? (Did I miss one?)

Alphabrew · Jul 10, 2014

Classic has their SKSs on sale for $270.

http://www.classicfirearms.com/chicomsks

Melnic · Jul 10, 2014

Cabelas in DE has a mess of Browning Hi Powers
He could not tell me the C&R status and after having him talk to 2 people I could not get an answer about accepting a MD resident C&R
Prices started at $549 and up

Abulg1972 · Jul 10, 2014

Does anyone have a CZ50? I think this was addressed above but I can't find it. I am really fond of 32 ACP. I would love, love to get a CZ82 but at $80 more and with a 12 rd mag I'd have to have shipped to a friend, I was thinking that the 50 may be a fun options.

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brentb636 · Jul 10, 2014

yellowsled said:
Taking bets.. Was it a P64, PA63, CZ82, or a MAK? (Did I miss one?)

I think (?) that the CZ-83 was made in 9x18 Mak for a while . It's a stretch, I know !!

dtmeyers · Jul 10, 2014

Abulg1972 said:
Does anyone have a CZ50? I think this was addressed above but I can't find it. I am really fond of 32 ACP. I would love, love to get a CZ82 but at $80 more and with a 12 rd mag I'd have to have shipped to a friend, I was thinking that the 50 may be a fun options.

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I have a CZ70 (non C&R I know but basically the same gun) - most accurate pistol I have and loads of fun. Try to get euro 32 acp instead of American 32 acp and you won't have any issues with feeding. With American 32acp I need to load one or two less in the magazine for some reason - if the internet is true that's a common issue.

Machodoc · Jul 10, 2014

brentb636 said:
I think (?) that the CZ-83 was made in 9x18 Mak for a while . It's a stretch, I know !!

Don't think so. I think it's been .380 from the outset. That, and a rifled barrel, are what sets it apart from the CZ-82. Very nice guns, but not C&R yet.

Machodoc · Jul 10, 2014

Abulg1972 said:
Does anyone have a CZ50? I think this was addressed above but I can't find it. I am really fond of 32 ACP. I would love, love to get a CZ82 but at $80 more and with a 12 rd mag I'd have to have shipped to a friend, I was thinking that the 50 may be a fun options.

Yeah ... nice gun, but not close to a CZ-82. You can have the mags sent to me and I'll meet you on the VA side of the 301 bridge.

I wonder what part of the mag MD considers to be a mag, and what they consider to only be parts? Could someone legally get various parts in different shipments?

somd_mustangs · Jul 10, 2014

Melnic said:
Cabelas in DE has a mess of Browning Hi Powers
He could not tell me the C&R status and after having him talk to 2 people I could not get an answer about accepting a MD resident C&R
Prices started at $549 and up

Those are external extractor HP's so odds are very low they are C&R eligible. I think they started using that extractor in 1963? something like that.

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