HPRB September 1, 2015 Meeting Thread

montoya32 · Aug 20, 2015

DC-W said:
Never seen his head snap up like it did then, haha!

At least one member has a permit. At least two members have pressed for the positive changes we're seeing and are the leading charge behind the MSP overturns. They are not trying to avoid the public, and at that, they'd be in violation of the OMA just like how things were before...

Seriously though. The two I'm speaking of flipped shit when they realized minutes weren't at all available before.

The chairman has not been amused...

Which makes me wonder. They were clearly in extreme violation by not keeping minutes and other aspects of the meetings. Would that be reason enough to dismiss the chairman? I'm not sure what should be done. Do we all just move forward or let the last of the "old regime" take a hit for it all?

Is the chair ultimately responsible?

Also, there is a required 10 day notice as to location and time of the meeting.

DC-W · Aug 20, 2015

montoya32 said:
Which makes me wonder. They were clearly in extreme violation by not keeping minutes and other aspects of the meetings. Would that be reason enough to dismiss the chairman? I'm not sure what should be done. Do we all just move forward or let the last of the "old regime" take a hit for it all?

Is the chair ultimately responsible?

Good question.

Is there any evidence to suggest that the board was in compliance in the past? That it fell off-path under the watch of this chairman?

montoya32 · Aug 20, 2015

DC-W said:
Good question.

Is there any evidence to suggest that the board was in compliance in the past? That it fell off-path under the watch of this chairman?

I'm not sure being in compliance in the past even matters. The current chair was not running it according to the OMA and he should be held accountable. I think it was Ironpony who remarked that someone told him to hold off on applying because a beneficial development was eminent. I also heard the same thing from someone extremely close to the situation. Potentially hearing the same thing from another source has me very curious.

DC-W · Aug 20, 2015

montoya32 said:
I'm not sure being in compliance in the past even matters. The current chair was not running it according to the OMA and he should be held accountable. I think it was Ironpony who remarked that someone told him to hold off on applying because a beneficial development was eminent. I also heard the same thing from someone extremely close to the situation. Potentially hearing the same thing from another source has me very curious.

Not suggesting that he isn't liable -- this is all under his watch after all. No excuses, but I have to wonder if the HPRB ever operated even slightly more closely to the way it should have.

Currently, it's been a case of the blind leading lasik patients...

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

montoya32 · Aug 20, 2015

DC-W said:
Not suggesting that he isn't liable -- this is all under his watch after all. No excuses, but I have to wonder if the HPRB ever operated even slightly more closely to the way it should have.

Currently, it's been a case of the blind leading lasik patients...

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I doubt they were even close to being in compliance within the last 20 years.

dblas · Aug 21, 2015

montoya32 said:
I doubt they were even close to being in compliance within the last 20 years.

The only real way to find out is file a complaint with the OMCB on two counts.

1. Being the lack of minutes from the past.

2. the lack of any remote detail of the current minutes as well the closed session being to hold a vote and the vote "to remain confidential."

I am hopeful that the closed portion is resolving itself, but we will see when they post the closed session paperwork with the minutes.

Having them post minutes makes it even easier to hold them even more accountable to the OMA.

swinokur · Aug 21, 2015

Schipperke said:
Rockville is tame. County office building has many nice board rooms and is open at night.

Bonus, you can visit confederate in a box..

Give it a rest. Unless the HPRB members are your neighbors, it ain't gonna happen.

:sad20:

Schipperke · Aug 21, 2015

swinokur said:
Give it a rest. Unless the HRPB members are your neighbors, it ain't gonna happen.

Ok Ok... How about Bethesda!

swinokur · Aug 21, 2015

yeah right. the chances are the same as Rockville.

redeemed.man · Aug 21, 2015

Schipperke said:
Ok Ok... How about Bethesda!

swinokur said:
yeah right. the chances are the same as Rockville.

Based on the comments apparently made by Ms. White at the most recent meeting: All future meetings should be moved to Mondawmin Mall. Plenty of parking, plenty of space, and according to her safer than a walk in the park or woods.

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Schipperke · Aug 21, 2015

boundlessdyad said:
Based on the comments apparently made by Ms. White at the most recent meeting: All future meetings should be moved to Mondawmin Mall. Plenty of parking, plenty of space, and according to her safer than a walk in the park or woods.

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Have fun fellas..

Maybe the new plan is to keep people from asking for a hearing.

redeemed.man · Aug 21, 2015

Schipperke said:
Have fun fellas..

Maybe the new plan is to keep people from asking for a hearing.

Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm.

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jc1240 · Aug 21, 2015

boundlessdyad said:
Based on the comments apparently made by Ms. White at the most recent meeting: All future meetings should be moved to Mondawmin Mall. Plenty of parking, plenty of space, and according to her safer than a walk in the park or woods.

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Blacksmith101 · Aug 21, 2015

montoya32 said:
I doubt they were even close to being in compliance within the last 20 years.

I wonder just what a FOIA request for past minutes and records of the HPRB would turn up or how they would explain the lack of records that are supposed to be maintained by law? What are the penalties for failure to follow Open Meetings laws?

pitpawten · Aug 21, 2015

Blacksmith101 said:
I wonder just what a FOIA request for past minutes and records of the HPRB would turn up

Only one way to find out

BeoBill · Aug 21, 2015

Schipperke said:
Have fun fellas..

Maybe the old/current plan is to keep people from asking for a hearing.

That's my guess about the present location. Only it didn't work out that way.
:sad20:

montoya32 · Aug 26, 2015

One week after meeting(8/18/15) and still no minutes. Just logging this here.
Next meeting is Tuesday 9/1, 7 days away and venue has not changed.

mxrider · Aug 26, 2015

It very well could be that the minutes need to be approved by r the committee before posting then online.

Schipperke · Aug 26, 2015

Word has it to wait a bit to apply, and all will be golden.

BeoBill · Aug 26, 2015

Schipperke said:
Word has it to wait a bit to apply, and all will be golden.

Two weeks? Is it G&S yet? :innocent0

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