Hearing on SB281 on July 22, 2014

onatsky · Jul 8, 2014

"A hearing on the lawsuit challenging Maryland law SB281 will be held this July 22, 2014 at the Federal Courthouse in Baltimore."

"We need a packed courtroom supporting our side. Come to the hearing to show the judge that are against SB281 and its unconstitutionality. As always, dress conservatively, (leave the message t-shirts home). This is not a rally. Show proper decorum, no outbursts. (The judge will have you removed)."

"The address is: Federal District Court, 101 W. Lombard Street, Court Room 7D, Baltimore, MD 21211. The hearing is set to start at 10 AM. Arrive early for a good seat. It would be great if we could pack the room. Plenty of parking is available."

Not_an_outlaw · Jul 8, 2014

onatsky said:
"A hearing on the lawsuit challenging Maryland law SB281 will be held this July 22, 2014 at the Federal Courthouse in Baltimore."

"We need a packed courtroom supporting our side. Come to the hearing to show the judge that are against SB281 and its unconstitutionality. As always, dress conservatively, (leave the message t-shirts home). This is not a rally. Show proper decorum, no outbursts. (The judge will have you removed)."

"The address is: Federal District Court, 101 W. Lombard Street, Court Room 7D, Baltimore, MD 21211. The hearing is set to start at 10 AM. Arrive early for a good seat. It would be great if we could pack the room. Plenty of parking is available."

Anyone know if cell phones are allowed?

teratos · Jul 8, 2014

Hearings aren't (or shouldn't be) about public opinion. :rolleyes:

I doubt a big showing on our part will do a damn thing to influence the verdict.

abean4187 · Jul 8, 2014

teratos said:
Hearings aren't (or shouldn't be) about public opinion.

I doubt a big showing on our part will do a damn thing to influence the verdict.

What I was going to say. It doesn’t matter what our opinion on the constitution is. All that matters is what judge has to say about what the law actually says.

iH8DemLibz · Jul 8, 2014

onatsky said:
"A hearing on the lawsuit challenging Maryland law SB281 will be held this July 22, 2014 at the Federal Courthouse in Baltimore."

"We need a packed courtroom supporting our side. Come to the hearing to show the judge that are against SB281 and its unconstitutionality. As always, dress conservatively, (leave the message t-shirts home). This is not a rally. Show proper decorum, no outbursts. (The judge will have you removed)."

"The address is: Federal District Court, 101 W. Lombard Street, Court Room 7D, Baltimore, MD 21211. The hearing is set to start at 10 AM. Arrive early for a good seat. It would be great if we could pack the room. Plenty of parking is available."

This from a guy who has a show off the t-shirt, superman style avatar.

As others have stated, we mean nothing in Annapolis and even less in a courtroom.

Brooklyn · Jul 8, 2014

Op has only good intentions, I am sure , but our time might be better spent on the elections.

Mr H · Jul 8, 2014

iH8DemLibz said:
This from a guy who has a show off the t-shirt, superman style avatar.

As others have stated, we mean nothing in Annapolis and even less in a courtroom.

The OP is one of the good guys, and has posted this from another source...

There is only one way to fix any of this, and that's through a continued presence (and pressure where appropriate)

onatsky · Jul 8, 2014

This was an appeal from the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association for anyone available to attend.

Ron
The Gun Shop

swinokur · Jul 8, 2014

This kind of activity is good in Annapolis. I don't want any judges' decisions to be swayed by popular opinion. I want them to rule on the law impartially. This is what happened in Annapolis. The GA passed 281 based on the liberals ideas and the popularity for useless gun control, not it's legality.

But watching the system in action would be a good thing.

My .02

BradMacc82 · Jul 8, 2014

22nd is a Tuesday.

Unless I have a scheduling conflict arise, that's where I'll be.

Gryphon · Jul 8, 2014

Thanks Ron.

To those unfamiliar with the process, it's not a trial but rather a hearing for oral legal arguments by counsel on the factual record and briefs already before the court. Catherine Blake is no nonsense federal judge and this is a federal court. If you go, leave your message T-Shirts and attitudes at home. Dress appropriately. Don't bring pocket knives you will enter through metal detectors and be scanned. Cell phones are okay, and you may use them in the public areas only. They must be off before you enter a court room, and you can not use them under any circumstances to record or take pictures anywhere. If you have never been you might find it interesting and educational. This may be an opportunity for you to be seen as an interested citizen in attendance, but it is not an opportunity to be heard except through the counsel representing the plaintiffs and plaintiff organizations.

Elliotte · Jul 10, 2014

teratos said:
Hearings aren't (or shouldn't be) about public opinion.

I doubt a big showing on our part will do a damn thing to influence the verdict.

No, but it might help influence the press reporting on the hearing

Brooklyn · Jul 10, 2014

Elliotte said:
No, but it might help influence the press reporting on the hearing

In what way ? If we lose as expected do we want press attention? If we win -- press attention we will get most assuredly, but this is a hearing and frankly no decision will be made at that time.

If I did not need to use limited time off I would go, but I need to save that for more pressing matters.

Blacksmith101 · Jul 10, 2014

A full courtroom should not influence a judges opinion however the show of interest by the public might reinforce the judges realization of the importance of the case and insure she pays close attention to the arguments of the facts of the case. When it comes to the facts the other side frequently comes up short or uses "facts" that don't stand up to close examination.

Judge Blake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_C._Blake

mopar92 · Jul 10, 2014

I would attend but money is short at this time.

agstevens05 · Jul 11, 2014

I would go however I need the leave for vacation the following week. Us being there would only serve as a reminder that we have not forgotten and are paying attention and hopefully let the judge know that there is a heavy interest in this. Not that it should sway her in any one direction.

tsmith1499 · Jul 11, 2014

I'm just being devil's advocate here but how would the judge know who is for or against SB281 unless you were wearing some kind of pro 2A apparel or pin? Just throwing it out there. You are more than welcome to throw it back. I would go if I could if for no other reason than to see the process.

agstevens05 · Jul 11, 2014

tsmith1499 said:
I'm just being devil's advocate here but how would the judge know who is for or against SB281 unless you were wearing some kind of pro 2A apparel or pin? Just throwing it out there. You are more than welcome to throw it back. I would go if I could if for no other reason than to see the process.

This is a very good point. There would be no way of telling who is who. Good chance in their mind they will translate it as these are all people for 281

swinokur · Jul 11, 2014

Probably better to appear as an interested citizen rather than an activist or proponent for either side.

embermage · Jul 11, 2014

I'd go to just show support for Maryland gun owners, have range duty that day however at my unit. (Sounds odd I know, lol, but literally I have to be a range safety for an M4 range)

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