California microstamping upheld

justiw · Feb 28, 2015

It seems the US District court in Sacramento upheld the microstamping requirements (shocker, an Obama appointee).

The case is Pena v. Cid, 09-cv-01185, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California (Sacramento)

https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/2015/02/federal-court-california-handgun-roster-does-not-violate-second-amendment-rights/

Technology that is so easily defeated is totally worthless. It's a poll tax if there ever was one. The logic that a defacto ban on all new handguns does not infringe on 2A rights is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in quite a while. Are there any manufacturers planning to implement this?

EL1227 · Feb 28, 2015

justiw said:
It seems the US District court in Sacramento upheld the microstamping requirements (shocker, an Obama appointee).

The case is Pena v. Cid, 09-cv-01185, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California (Sacramento)

https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/2015/02/federal-court-california-handgun-roster-does-not-violate-second-amendment-rights/

Technology that is so easily defeated is totally worthless. It's a poll tax if there ever was one. The logic that a defacto ban on all new handguns does not infringe on 2A rights is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in quite a while. Are there any manufacturers planning to implement this?

S&W and Ruger have already pulled out of the CA market.

Both Ruger and Smith & Wesson Will Stop Selling New Guns in California Due to Microstamping Law

No doubt the PRofMD (aka California in Miniature) will attempt to mimic the CA microstamping law.

Shoobedoo · Feb 28, 2015

The show is not over until the fat lady sings, and I expect this decision will be appealed, possibly all the way to the US Supreme Court. When you have a company like Glock involved, trust me, they have very deep pockets, very deep indeed, and just because some Kommiefornia Obama appointee judge upheld the state law, doesn't necessarily mean it will stand up to higher court challenges.

EL1227 · Feb 28, 2015

True ...

Shoobedoo said:
The show is not over until the fat lady sings, and I expect this decision will be appealed, possibly all the way to the US Supreme Court. When you have a company like Glock involved, trust me, they have very deep pockets, very deep indeed, and just because some Kommiefornia Obama appointee judge upheld the state law, doesn't necessarily mean it will stand up to higher court challenges.

But the gears of Federal courts under Obama and his appointees grind exceedingly slow. Until we're rid of him, much damage will be done to Glock, S&W, Ruger and others business. Especially if other states try to mimic.

Bob A · Feb 28, 2015

justiw said:
Are there any manufacturers planning to implement this?

Hopefully, manufacturers will adopt the same course that Barrett did, and refuse to sell anything to CA; once the police departments hit the wall with no firearms to be purchased, things will change.

This would be an interesting development.

Edit: I'd delayed posting, didn't see EL1227's post until afterward. This is great news.

And another edit: Glock filed an amicus brief back in 2013 over the micostamping. Just saw the resurrected thread.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=137217

jaybee · Feb 28, 2015

wiki, for what it's worth, says

Similar legislation is under consideration in New York,[9] Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping

outrider58 · Feb 28, 2015

EL1227 said:
S&W and Ruger have already pulled out of the CA market.

Both Ruger and Smith & Wesson Will Stop Selling New Guns in California Due to Microstamping Law

I find that very disheartening. :sad20:

bigalf · Feb 28, 2015

jaybee said:
wiki, for what it's worth, says

Similar legislation is under consideration in New York,[9] Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping

If this come to MA, Im jumping the border to NH and dealing with the 45 minute commute.

Shoobedoo · Feb 28, 2015

jaybee said:
wiki, for what it's worth, says

Similar legislation is under consideration in New York,[9] Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping

Anybody with first hand knowledge of any such proposed legislation in our lovely state know when this could potentially become law..??

Glock and Smith & Wesson are probably the two most popular and widely used handguns by police agencies nationwide, if these two giants refuse to sell their products in any state that enacts a microstamping requirement, the cops in those states are going to be in a serious bind when it comes time to retire and/or upgrade their service guns.

MJD438 · Feb 28, 2015

Not aware of any proposed microstamping legislation in this year's MGA pipeline.

iH8DemLibz · Feb 28, 2015

I'm sure glad buffing wheels and rouge can't polish out those micro-marks. :rolleyes:

Are they going to ban replacing firing pins next?

Good on the manufacturers for not playing ball.

justiw · Feb 28, 2015

Who needs expensive machinery? Just give it a quick rub on the sidewalk and gtg. Not to mention it will wear off under normal use. I would bet within 1000 rds.

navyis2 · Feb 28, 2015

The 9th has been unbelievably good for gun rights lately. So i would rather see this get pushed up anyways. It going to appeal can help all of us fight this sort of law, depending on the language used.

navyis2 · Feb 28, 2015

iH8DemLibz said:
I'm sure glad buffing wheels and rouge can't polish out those micro-marks.

Are they going to ban replacing firing pins next?

Good on the manufacturers for not playing ball.

Not to mention that most guns used in crime are stolen or brought in from other states so it isn't likely that they would have the new stamps.

Blacksmith101 · Feb 28, 2015

I think I'll go into the business of making hardened steel Practice rounds. Each will carry the warning that if you try to actually fire one it could damage your firing pin and destroy any micro stamping identification.

Bald Fat Guy · Mar 1, 2015

Abrasive snap caps.

But as long as CA has an exemption for LE agencies , they won't be effected. :

1. While brand G and brand M&P are highly popular , there are a whole buncha guns that are capable of LE Duty.

2. How would G or S&W stop them ? They can discontinue factory direct super special pricing, but there are still dozens if not hundreds of distributors in the country , any you wouldn't need to search long to find several happy to make large sales at their usual prices.

And how often do LE pistols actually wear out ? Other than wanting the latest thing to keep up with the Cool Kids, pistol replacement is timed to replace everything before ANY are likely to need repair , primarily because of logistics of taking large number of pistols out of service for armourer attention , and the dirt cheap pricing on large agency purchases vs the salery of armorers. But that can easily enough be worked around.

Best two ways :
1. Increase number of armorers , and have them positioned farther down the food chain to be on hand for frequent inspections and repairs.

2. Have a fleet of dedicated "Training Pistols" for initial training and requalifications. When actual Duty Pistols are only fire a mag full for function test once or twice a year , their life span become essentially infinate , and the relatively small number of training guns can be rebuilt every year if need be.

In the Revolver Era with NYPD , it was not unusual for revolvers to be handed down from father to son to even grandson , and never having needed repair.

DavidWB · Mar 1, 2015

Disappointing that.

j_h_smith · Mar 1, 2015

I wish California would just fall off into the Pacific Ocean like the scientists say to going to do. Oceanfront Las Vegas. Sounds kinda nice!

Jim Smith

rob-cubed · Mar 1, 2015

California is a beautiful state, too bad it's populated by so many idiots.

Maryland *still* collects fired shell casings, and what a complete waste of tax dollars that turned out to be. LEOs haven't done anything with them for years now. God forbid Annapolis lawmakers admit they were wrong and roll that requirement back.

AssMan · Mar 1, 2015

Bald Fat Guy said:
Abrasive snap caps.

2. How would G or S&W stop them ? They can discontinue factory direct super special pricing, but there are still dozens if not hundreds of distributors in the country , any you wouldn't need to search long to find several happy to make large sales at their usual prices.

Simple, they prohibit the sale to LE via the distributor agreement.

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