firearm age question

mdram · Feb 10, 2015

is any firearm from 1965 now a c&r?

Boom Boom · Feb 10, 2015

Yes. MD ban list overrides where applicable. NFA also applies, as usual.

Mark75H · Feb 10, 2015

Boom Boom said:
Yes. MD ban list overrides where applicable. NFA also applies, as usual.

I think he's asking if a gun with a date code of December 1965 or serial number that was made anytime during 1965 qualifies even if its the very last number on the 1965 list

Boom Boom · Feb 10, 2015

It would qualify. Only year of manufacture matters, not month.

mdram · Feb 10, 2015

cool thanks

mdram · Feb 10, 2015

Mark75H said:
I think he's asking if a gun with a date code of December 1965 or serial number that was made anytime during 1965 qualifies even if its the very last number on the 1965 list

yes i was

mdram · Feb 12, 2015

is there any document that confirms this?
i inquired about a 1965 vintage and got this

Since we can not verify when in 1965 it was manufactured, just to be safe, we are going to wait until 2016 before we can send it to a C&R holder.

SRD · Feb 12, 2015

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html#definition

mdram · Feb 12, 2015

SRD said:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html#definition

saw that, it states
Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or

which means exact day of the year is relivent

but was wondering where/if this could be confirmed, maybe via an atf ruling

Boom Boom said:
It would qualify. Only year of manufacture matters, not month.

SRD · Feb 12, 2015

mdram said:
saw that, it states
Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or

which means exact day of the year is relivent

but was wondering where/if this could be confirmed, maybe via an atf ruling

True,but I've never seen serial numbers specify a day,even months are like hens teeth.

mdram · Feb 12, 2015

yeah, but kinda makes 1965 then

Boom Boom · Feb 12, 2015

mdram said:
but was wondering where/if this could be confirmed, maybe via an atf ruling

Stop bashing your head against the wall because you can.

Year of manufacture has always been the rule. It's virtually impossible to know month of manufacture on most vintage firearms. Determining the year on some of them is bad enough, especially ones without serial numbers. Even manufacturers still in business probably don't know the month for their old C&R-eligible stuff.

mdram · Feb 12, 2015

so then its find a dealer that goes by year

the search starts again

Mark75H · Feb 12, 2015

Boom Boom said:
Stop bashing your head against the wall because you can. Year of manufacture has always been the rule. It's virtually impossible to know month of manufacture on most vintage firearms. Determining the year on some of them is bad enough, especially ones without serial numbers. Even manufacturers still in business probably don't know the month for their old C&R-eligible stuff.

Unless the barrel or receiver has a DATE CODE on it ... many pre-serial number guns were date coded with the year and month

AssMan · Feb 12, 2015

Boom Boom said:
Stop bashing your head against the wall because you can. Year of manufacture has always been the rule. It's virtually impossible to know month of manufacture on most vintage firearms. Determining the year on some of them is bad enough, especially ones without serial numbers. Even manufacturers still in business probably don't know the month for their old C&R-eligible stuff.

Untrue. I was able to acquire a 1964 vintage Ruger Blackhawk via C&R because I took the time to call Ruger and confirm that it was produced 50years and 1 month prior.

Can't speak to other manufacturers, but the rep that answered the phone at Ruger was able to provide a month but not a day.

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Boom Boom · Feb 12, 2015

snallygaster said:
Untrue. I was able to acquire a 1964 vintage Ruger Blackhawk via C&R because I took the time to call Ruger and confirm that it was produced 50years and 1 month prior.

Can't speak to other manufacturers, but the rep that answered the phone at Ruger was able to provide a month but not a day.

Manufactured or first shipped? Not the same thing. I'll bet Ruger meant original ship date, same as old Colt records. Yet ATF C&R rules specify "manufactured" if I'm not mistaken. See the problem? What if a gun was manufactured in a different year than it first shipped? Perhaps a year or more apart in isolated cases I'm aware of. ATF C&R rules do not specifically address it, because they know they cannot. Instead, ATF looks to known manufacturer records about what serial number ranges apply to which year (month is irrelevant), even though exactly what those serial number ranges mean can be vague (manufactured versus first shipped conundrum). In short, just go with ATF's flow.

mdram · Feb 12, 2015

but if you cannot prove a date in the year, then you have to wait longer

if it was shipped it was built before that date, so its a start

SRD · Feb 12, 2015

Boom Boom said:
Manufactured or first shipped? Not the same thing. I'll bet Ruger meant original ship date, same as old Colt records. Yet ATF C&R rules specify "manufactured" if I'm not mistaken. See the problem? What if a gun was manufactured in a different year than it first shipped? Perhaps a year or more apart in isolated cases I'm aware of. ATF C&R rules do not specifically address it, because they know they cannot. Instead, ATF looks to known manufacturer records about what serial number ranges apply to which year (month is irrelevant), even though exactly what those serial number ranges mean can be vague (manufactured versus first shipped conundrum). In short, just go with ATF's flow.

Like my 1980 Mustang built in 79' is still a 1980 model or the 90' F250 I ordered in Aug. and arrived in Oct. of 89',nowadays you can get next years model before the end of the year.I know it's apples to onions,but it is what it is.

ofofhy · Feb 12, 2015

mdram said:
is there any document that confirms this?
i inquired about a 1965 vintage and got this

Since we can not verify when in 1965 it was manufactured, just to be safe, we are going to wait until 2016 before we can send it to a C&R holder.

I have run into this in a couple of cases while looking for a particular shotgun. I just move on to a different seller.

protegeV · Feb 12, 2015

It shouldn't go by anything other than the year, that's ridiculous...

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