Saiga Shotgun issues

bigdv · Aug 24, 2015

I got my video conversion link from the saiga forum. But that was 4 or 5 years ago

thomfantomas · Aug 24, 2015

clandestine said:
Why is it no good?

the coils are over stretched while trying to guide it in at the same time to insert the pin it damaged my BHO spring bought multiples waiting for delivery

thomfantomas · Aug 24, 2015

factory vs. CSS

clandestine · Aug 24, 2015

There's nothing wrong with that braided spring. That's what they do, you have to angle the hammer in the receiver to compress the sides.

Who converted that gun? Nevermind, I see you mentioned it elsewhere. I would contact them and ask them to remedy the problem. Just show them that the conversion wasn't right and what I explained. Shim the hammer to the right and put in the factor hammer spring. Have them iron out that damage lightly debur it.

clandestine · Aug 24, 2015

I know these guns well. My waiting list to convert them was 9 months at one point. I'm not trying to lead you wrong. Heres a bolt from one of my conversions.

Heres a bit of my past work:

http://s219.photobucket.com/user/crazymomabird/library/Gunsmithing/Saiga 12

thomfantomas · Aug 24, 2015

Thanks for your feedback i learned alot today still need the new bho springs regardless for now im sitting idle

DC-W · Aug 24, 2015

His problem is distance is all. The shop isn't at all close and he doesn't have a ready way there. I'd take him down there if our schedules melded better.

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

DC-W said:
His problem is distance is all. The shop isn't at all close and he doesn't have a ready way there. I'd take him down there if our schedules melded better.

thanks for looking out man :thumbsup:

i'm pretty confident though that i sorted out the issue

hopefully

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

soo i swapped out the mainspring for the factory more tension than before but..........

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

i'm noticing the bolt assembly itself with the firing pin and striker aren't functioning properly ?!?!?! i feel like it need to use 30lbs of pressure just to get the striker to peek out

clandestine · Aug 25, 2015

In a case like this a test fire is the only thing that will tell you if that will be a problem.

If you cant travel, you can still test assuming theres no close neighbors or laws preventing a percussion type test.

If you have a safe place to do it, you can use a knife and cut the wad and shot off a shotshell, then tap the powder out. Insert the primered only shell hull into the chamber manually and let the bolt go home hard. Point into a bucket of sand and shoot. Its just the primer going off, so it will be about as loud as a firecracker if it goes off.

If it does not go off you need a reduced power firing pin return spring, and the firing pin assembly deburred. Saigas and AKs in general are pretty notorious for rough machining and in this area is can keep the gun from busting a cap.

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

true story it fired flawlessly before the conversion wtf happened

clandestine · Aug 25, 2015

thomfantomas said:
true story it fired flawlessly before the conversion wtf happened

It takes some good knowledge to properly convert Saigas. I saw your initial thread where you wanted advice on a shop and lots of people chimed in on how easy it is. I was going to jump in and disagree but Im sick of debating people that think they know what they dont know. Yep, anyone can convert a Saiga, and put together an AR, but do they know how to do it properly so the thing will be reliable? Most dont, because their knowledge comes from working on on or 2 examples they own, or reading or watching stuff other people say on the internet, not working on hundreds of them.

Lots of people say it's easy to properly convert a Saiga, I disagree. I worked on a ton of conversions that wouldn't run, built by shops and by owners.

In your case, the problem looks from here like the cause is an improperly placed hammersl, bolt hold open, or the hammer has the wrong profile.

If the BHO is not impeding function then my advice is to compare the hammers (Original to the CSS Modified Hammer). Compare the stem where the pin goes through it and measure each side. Look at the width of the hammer arm and engagement ears, look at the front face profile as well. These areasons need to be similar to clear the receiver rails, not bind, cock properly, and strike the firing pin properly. This wasn't done when the conversion was done.

Unless the Bolt was disassembled and reassembled improperly (firing pin return spring was damaged), or something was burred or bent, the bolt should not be a problem

DC-W · Aug 25, 2015

If you get it in a place where you want to test fire, I can probably make some quick time up at Freestate.

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

i just fked up my firing pin spring.......maybe best to sell this POS

erwos · Aug 25, 2015

clandestine said:
It takes some good knowledge to properly convert Saigas. I saw your initial thread where you wanted advice on a shop and lots of people chimed in on how easy it is. I was going to jump in and disagree but Im sick of debating people that think they know what they dont know. Yep, anyone can convert a Saiga, and put together an AR, but do they know how to do it properly so the thing will be reliable?

To be fair, even making a stock Saiga 12 run reliably takes some know-how... a simple conversion shouldn't really be generating the reliability issues, especially when using a Tapco G2 trigger and a decent retaining plate.

clandestine · Aug 25, 2015

erwos said:
To be fair, even making a stock Saiga 12 run reliably takes some know-how... a simple conversion shouldn't really be generating the reliability issues, especially when using a Tapco G2 trigger and a decent retaining plate.

But they do. I cant even count how many simple conversions by people ended up on my bench. Aftermarket hammers and triggers don't always function properly without the right mods.

The things can be frustrating, even for a skilled armorer or smith. I feel for tomfanthomas because I have seen it in a bunch of people's faces when they took bad advice and ended up with guns that don't run.

clandestine · Aug 25, 2015

thomfantomas said:
i just fked up my firing pin spring.......maybe best to sell this POS

Can you post a picture. It may not be bad.

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

clandestine said:
Can you post a picture. It may not be bad.

oh its bad had to order a new one

thomfantomas · Aug 25, 2015

clandestine said:
But they do. I cant even count how many simple conversions by people ended up on my bench. Aftermarket hammers and triggers don't always function properly without the right mods.

The things can be frustrating, even for a skilled armorer or smith. I feel for tomfanthomas because I have seen it in a bunch of people's faces when they took bad advice and ended up with guns that don't run.

how many pounds of pressure does it take for the hammer contacting the firing pin to the striker in order to protrude onto primer? ahhhh horrible grammar hopefully you understand me

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