SBR a stripped lower

rico903 · Sep 10, 2013

CAn anyone tell me if I can SBR a stripped lower and what the proceedure is? Also, anyone in greater Baltimore area do the engraving?

Biggfoot44 · Sep 10, 2013

You can start the SBR paperwork with a stripped lower. You will need to supply the specs and dimentions of the finished SBR to include on Form 1/ 4 . By the time the Tax Stamp arrives you will need to be able to assemble it into the listed configuration. And more if you wish , but the listed one is required.

Leonidas583 · Sep 10, 2013

Biggfoot44 said:
You can start the SBR paperwork with a stripped lower. You will need to supply the specs and dimentions of the finished SBR to include on Form 1/ 4 . By the time the Tax Stamp arrives you will need to be able to assemble it into the listed configuration. And more if you wish , but the listed one is required.

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rico903 · Sep 11, 2013

Biggfoot44 said:
You can start the SBR paperwork with a stripped lower. You will need to supply the specs and dimentions of the finished SBR to include on Form 1/ 4 . By the time the Tax Stamp arrives you will need to be able to assemble it into the listed configuration. And more if you wish , but the listed one is required.

Are you saying I need to spec a barrel length but can also change it at any time after? Anything else besides caliber and barrel length need to be specified?
What do I need to have engraved on it?

Biggfoot44 · Sep 11, 2013

Cal , bbl length , OAL.
You can do any sort of "temporary" change of configuration you care to , that is otherwise legal, so long as you can readily restore the gun to the listed configuration. There is a process to change your "perminent" configuration , but that's not somthing you do lightly or frequently.

rico903 · Sep 11, 2013

Thanks. Just wanted to be sure I had the option to put on different barrel lengths if I wanted. Do I get a form 1 from ATF web site?
Hey here's another question that came up in an LGS tonite. If you don't have a trust does paperwork have to go to MSP 1st or does it go straight to ATF?

armed ferret · Sep 11, 2013

MSP. eventually it may have to go to them regardless of whether you have a trust.

Devil Dog · Sep 23, 2013

Can you swap out other barrels that our SBR length? That is, apply for an SPR with a 10" barrel and later put on a 12 inch? Or maybe apply for a 5.56 10 inch and swap uppers for a 6.8 10 inch barrel?

armed ferret · Sep 23, 2013

as long as the firearm is not permanently altered from the specs listed on the form 1/4, you're fine.

Biggfoot44 · Sep 23, 2013

As long as it isn't perminently altered AND you retain the parts required to restore to listed configuration,

You can have any number of Additional uppers ( or whatever ) , but you can't replace and dispose of origional. (Without filing additional paperwork / ATF .)

Devil Dog · Sep 23, 2013

Thanks guys.

Slowhand · Sep 23, 2013

Thats what I wanted to know. Thanks!

Devil Dog · Sep 24, 2013

Follow-up question: Do I have to have dedicated uppers for each lower that has been SBR'd?
That is, I've got several stripped lowers and I'm going to submit my forms before Oct 1 so that I can buy uppers. Can I buy just one upper for now and will that be legally sufficient for more than one lower and still satisfy the original configuration issue? Or would I have to show that I have seperate uppers with short barrels for each lower I SBR?

Anyone know?

netcentry · Sep 24, 2013

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but I too would like to SBR a stripped AR15 lower and a Glock 9mm. Does 'BS281' disallow the SBR after Oct 1 for either of the two above firearms?

huesmann · Sep 25, 2013

Devil Dog said:
Follow-up question: Do I have to have dedicated uppers for each lower that has been SBR'd?
That is, I've got several stripped lowers and I'm going to submit my forms before Oct 1 so that I can buy uppers. Can I buy just one upper for now and will that be legally sufficient for more than one lower and still satisfy the original configuration issue? Or would I have to show that I have seperate uppers with short barrels for each lower I SBR?

Anyone know?

You do need to have dedicated uppers for each SBR lower, because you need to be able to return each SBR to its original configuration. But I don't know if you would need to have an upper for each SBR lower, or if you can use the same upper for all your SBR lowers. Why would you want to use the same upper on each lower, anyway?

Clutch · Sep 25, 2013

This thread has been helpful. Thank you. I have a lower which I intend to build as an SBR. I have a trust in place currently. Last night I was online filling out Form 1 to apply for my tax stamp. Not having built the rifle yet (since I don't have a stamp), I was a bit stumped on the questions of barrel length, overall length, caliber and purpose of build. I figured I would list 7.5" barrel knowing I'd likely be allowed to go longer but maybe not shorter. My lower is marked "multi" for caliber. While I plan to only configure for 5.56, I don't want to tie up my freedoms for down the road. So, now I know as long as I keep the declared barrel length of declared caliber to configure the rifle as declared, I can also still exercise the freedom to reconfigure however I like. Thanks again.

My intent for the build is personal collection and recreation within the law. Does anyone know if this individual intent needs to be listed differently when the stamp is being applied for by a trust, rather than an individual?

Finally, are the trust documents the only docs needed to attach to Form 1 or do I also need to submit any other docs such as the receipt or Maryland background form for the original purchase of the lower?

Thanks in advance for any input.

Devil Dog · Sep 25, 2013

huesmann said:
You do need to have dedicated uppers for each SBR lower, because you need to be able to return each SBR to its original configuration. But I don't know if you would need to have an upper for each SBR lower, or if you can use the same upper for all your SBR lowers. Why would you want to use the same upper on each lower, anyway?

It would only be short term. I want to apply to get the stamp on a couple of lowers before Oct 1 just in case MSP takes some radical position on the law. Eventually I buy an upper to go with each lower, but for a period of time it wil be only 1 upper to go with 2-3 lowers.

teratos · Sep 25, 2013

Biggfoot44 said:
You can start the SBR paperwork with a stripped lower. You will need to supply the specs and dimentions of the finished SBR to include on Form 1/ 4 . By the time the Tax Stamp arrives you will need to be able to assemble it into the listed configuration. And more if you wish , but the listed one is required.

Is there something in law that says the lower actually has to be assembled in the designated configuration when you get your stamp?

huesmann · Sep 26, 2013

Clutch said:
This thread has been helpful. Thank you. I have a lower which I intend to build as an SBR. I have a trust in place currently. Last night I was online filling out Form 1 to apply for my tax stamp. Not having built the rifle yet (since I don't have a stamp), I was a bit stumped on the questions of barrel length, overall length, caliber and purpose of build. I figured I would list 7.5" barrel knowing I'd likely be allowed to go longer but maybe not shorter. My lower is marked "multi" for caliber. While I plan to only configure for 5.56, I don't want to tie up my freedoms for down the road. So, now I know as long as I keep the declared barrel length of declared caliber to configure the rifle as declared, I can also still exercise the freedom to reconfigure however I like. Thanks again.

The input I've rec'd from the kind folks here says that you need to indicate a length and caliber on your Form 1, and have the capability to return your weapon to those specs at any time. So if you put 7.5" for barrel length and 5.56 as your cal, you need to keep an upper with those specs on hand. You can make/have whatever other upper(s) you want (as long as they all meet the OAL requirements), but you must have the listed upper as well.

Clutch · Sep 26, 2013

huesmann said:
The input I've rec'd from the kind folks here says that you need to indicate a length and caliber on your Form 1, and have the capability to return your weapon to those specs at any time. So if you put 7.5" for barrel length and 5.56 as your cal, you need to keep an upper with those specs on hand. You can make/have whatever other upper(s) you want (as long as they all meet the OAL requirements), but you must have the listed upper as well.

Thank you. I have verified this as well (to the best of my ability anyway). The issue I now need to research is: once approved, do I have to stamp the declared 5.56 caliber into my lower given the lower's original manufacturer has stamped it "multi" which was not a recommended declaration for me for Form 1. I previously thought only trust name, city and state needed to be engraved/stamped. But, now I am not too certain (per link): http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/03/batfe-engraving-requirements-f.html

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