The iPhone of guns?

Doctor_M · Feb 20, 2014

Interesting factor in this, is that if States move to mandate "smart guns", the RF signal (even passive ones) could theoretically be jammed in a time of civil unrest.... Cat 5 hurricane hits and your urban center falls to chaos, just turn off all the guns (completely eliminating the ability for self defense). It's once of those nasty-little second order effects that could be seen, similar to the proposed "kill switch" on cell phones. Sure, your phone gets stolen, and it becomes a paper weight.... but it could also be, that someone in authority doesn't like what you or the masses are communicating... whoops... just turned them off... too bad.

Overboost44 · Feb 20, 2014

Doctor_M said:
Interesting factor in this, is that if States move to mandate "smart guns", the RF signal (even passive ones) could theoretically be jammed in a time of civil unrest.... Cat 5 hurricane hits and your urban center falls to chaos, just turn off all the guns (completely eliminating the ability for self defense). It's once of those nasty-little second order effects that could be seen, similar to the proposed "kill switch" on cell phones. Sure, your phone gets stolen, and it becomes a paper weight.... but it could also be, that someone in authority doesn't like what you or the masses are communicating... whoops... just turned them off... too bad.

Winner! I hope sales tank and they are OOB in a matter of months.

EL1227 · Feb 20, 2014

Overboost44 said:
Winner! I hope sales tank and they are OOB in a matter of months.

Ahhhh ... That's the gov'mnt's plan ... on a much larger scale.

ryan_j · Feb 20, 2014

It doesn't matter if sales tank. If the law gets activated, damage done. This is why we need a court case and precedent to shield us against this. It's just NJ now but CA has microstamping and other states could figure out creative features to enact a de-facto handgun ban. For example, they could ban guns with any plastic parts, for example. That would pretty much make every glock and a lot of others illegal.

EL1227 · Feb 20, 2014

Ratcheting it up ...

ryan_j said:
It doesn't matter if sales tank. If the law gets activated, damage done. This is why we need a court case and precedent to shield us against this. It's just NJ now but CA has microstamping and other states could figure out creative features to enact a de-facto handgun ban. For example, they could ban guns with any plastic parts, for example. That would pretty much make every glock and a lot of others illegal.

I kinda' think that is where the gov'mnt's heading ... and because it's happening on a state-by-state basis (of course being orchestrated in DC), it makes it harder to launch a defense money-wise.

Turning the screws tighter and tighter ...

Haides · Feb 21, 2014

ryan_j said:
It doesn't matter if sales tank. If the law gets activated, damage done. This is why we need a court case and precedent to shield us against this. It's just NJ now but CA has microstamping and other states could figure out creative features to enact a de-facto handgun ban. For example, they could ban guns with any plastic parts, for example. That would pretty much make every glock and a lot of others illegal.

So say the law mandating smart guns goes into effect, but FFL's refuse to sell them. That essentially means no Second Amendment in the state. How would a court case against that go? The easy out for pro-government leftist judges is that the government isn't responsible for the decisions of private businesses. However, what happens when those decisions are made precisely because of a potentially infringing & unreasonable law?

ken792 · Feb 22, 2014

Someone needs to make an iPhone app to jam the RFID receivers on smart guns. Anyone who was even considering buying one would not if anyone with a smart phone could jam their gun. That should kill the market for them.

Mark75H · Feb 22, 2014

Every physical review I've read says the gun has 10% or higher FTF.

In reality, this means the technology is NOT MARKET READY.

I predict this GIMMICK gun will be off the market in less than one year.

K-Romulus · Feb 22, 2014

Mark75H said:
Every physical review I've read says the gun has 10% or higher FTF.

In reality, this means the technology is NOT MARKET READY.

I predict this GIMMICK gun will be off the market in less than one year.

Even better, that Armatix wristwatch-gun connection seems to need resetting if the watch has been out of range of the gun for any length of time. Meaning that the 5-digit code will need to be entered and accepted before the gun can fire if you are grabbing the gun out of the gun safe, etc.

While the concept may be attractive to the casual sport shooter, it kills the gun's utility for self defense.

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Sirex · Feb 23, 2014

I work on electronic equipment for a living. There is NO way I want electronics in a gun, that I may need to depend on. I question them holding up to recoil in training.

jc1240 · Mar 7, 2014

The California store that was going to sell the Armatix not-so-smart-gun has backtracked.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/0...hop-backs-away-from-smart-gun-after-backlash/

Boom Boom · Mar 7, 2014

Let's say I'm an enterprising robber. I know you the homeowner own a high-tech RFID pistol. I carry a high-power jamming device on me. Your gun doesn't function. If you're lucky, I beat you senseless, tie you up, and rob you blind. If you're not lucky, I send you to your grave and I leave behind your stupid gun right next to your dead body.

Pstango · Mar 7, 2014

Yeah awesome idea... Can't wait till I can get one...

Benanov · Mar 11, 2014

Well, depending on how the technology works, these smart guns are going to fail open or fail closed. My guess is that they will be legislated to fail open - such that the circuit isn't complete and the firearm will not function if it's in this failed state.

This means that there will be a nice little cottage industry for a device that when activated makes all smart guns in a nearby radius fail open. Sure it'll be illegal because FCC, but criminals will have dumb guns and this device and suddenly the fight gets a lot more one-sided.

Hell, I'm tempted to help build it and publish the specs on pirate bay.

rbird7282 · Mar 11, 2014

As disgusted as I am with various legislatures trying to pass such laws, I'm more pissed at the companies trying to make this technology work. (Especially if it's a gun company) they are sealing their own fate IMO

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ryan_j · Mar 11, 2014

Haides said:
So say the law mandating smart guns goes into effect, but FFL's refuse to sell them. That essentially means no Second Amendment in the state. How would a court case against that go?

Probably the same way Lane v Holder went I would imagine.

fidelity · May 1, 2014

Welcome Washington Post readers ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...4efa48-d14d-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

(this MD Shooters thread is hot linked within the above article)

Haides · May 1, 2014

Andy... Andy why? No one ever said they should be prohibited, we said we should refuse to buy & sell them, so there is no market for them thus no incentive to produce them. We don't want them prohibited, but we all know if they become common more and more legislators are going to want them mandated.

:facepalm:

teratos · May 1, 2014

WeaponsCollector said:
Anyone who supports the second amendment should boycott these so-called "smart guns" out of principle.

I don't think so. We should tar and feather the lawmakers who mandate they be the only thing available. The technology itself is completely benign.

HappyCamper · May 1, 2014

Haides said:
Andy... Andy why? No one ever said they should be prohibited, we said we should refuse to buy & sell them, so there is no market for them thus no incentive to produce them. We don't want them prohibited, but we all know if they become common more and more legislators are going to want them mandated.

Hammer meet nail.

Even if there was a market, however small it may be, Engage will be expanding it and justifying its existance for future mandated inclusion into legislation - AND further inclusion of controlling technology. This has so many unintended consequences written all over it I don't know where to start.

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