Overwatch rifle- help me build one.

mopar92 · Oct 30, 2014

With ammo, optics, bipods, and support gear. You're talking 20-25 pounds of guns alone. Plus body armor, comms, life support gear, pistol and mags, navigation equipment, 2 primary lights and 1 specialty light, food, shelter equipment.

Honestly for a guerilla set up the best bet would be a Colt LE901 with a 20" barrel 15" handguard, QD suppressor and a 14.5" M4 style upper.

SCARCQB · Oct 30, 2014

dreadpirate said:
Why not a bolt gun?? And carry an M4 style carbine as a backup??? Or is that too my much weight??

I tried to do the call of duty load. Not gonna happen. Can not move without a tactical wheelbarrow. Can't even lug that stuff from the parking lot to the firing line without being short of breath.

It will be an accurized battle rifle and a pistol.

No m4s. Everyone already has one. I'm not fighting fair. If it comes to that.

erwos · Oct 31, 2014

Jaybeez said:
No. No, digital is not competitive with gen 2. You should cancel your order. For $800 you are 2/3 of the way to a pvs4, a real military scope with amazing lenes and built to handle 308 recoil. you're at half the price of a used pvs14 gen 3 which would make you really regret buying digital.

Digital is almost completely useless without a full to half moon, in an open field, and in those conditions you can see almost as well with your naked eye. under tree cover or a cloudy moonless sky, you need supplimental illumination and performance will be on par with gen 1 or less.

Suggest you research the X-Sight further. The imagery coming from the sample sights is phenomenal for digital. Plus, it's magnified. Also, works both day and night.

Gambler · Oct 31, 2014

I took Chad's Suggestion from a thread a long time ago and built an LR-308 variant, that matches your criteria. I'm not sure I'm capable of sub-moa, but the gun probably is. I don't get to shoot it much given range limitations.

Black Rain Ordnance Upper/Lower
16" Rainier UltraMatch
Timney Trigger

HT4 · Oct 31, 2014

SCARCQB said:
I'm limiting it to 308/7.62. The Overwatch rifle should also double as a combat rifle if need be. The magnum cartridges are a bit too overpowered for that application.

SCARCQB said:
No m4s. Everyone already has one. I'm not fighting fair. If it comes to that.

I'm coming to this party late, and I will be a little contrary...

Have you considered 6.5G in this role? At "overwatch" range, it can equal or exceed .308W in external ballistics and energy. As a combat rifle, it's easier to handle than a .308W. And the package will be a couple pounds lighter! That's a big deal IMO. It will be less expensive to build also.

Ammo is, of course, the issue... but that is getting better every day. And, frankly, for the kind of ammo that will be accurate out past 500 yards, there really isn't much of a price difference.

SCARCQB · Oct 31, 2014

erwos said:
Suggest you research the X-Sight further. The imagery coming from the sample sights is phenomenal for digital. Plus, it's magnified. Also, works both day and night.

I bought one anyway... The price was too good pass up. (5-18x)

If it doesnt work out well, it will be for hog hunts exclusively.

1time · Oct 31, 2014

GA Precision GAP10 in 6.5 Creed if you want to buy ammo, or for a little better performance if you're are willing to reload the 6mm Creed. They both have better ballistics and lighter recoil than the .308.

BradMacc82 · Oct 31, 2014

HT4 said:
I'm coming to this party late, and I will be a little contrary...

Have you considered 6.5G in this role? At "overwatch" range, it can equal or exceed .308W in external ballistics and energy. As a combat rifle, it's easier to handle than a .308W. And the package will be a couple pounds lighter! That's a big deal IMO. It will be less expensive to build also.

Ammo is, of course, the issue... but that is getting better every day. And, frankly, for the kind of ammo that will be accurate out past 500 yards, there really isn't much of a price difference.

6.5G is optimized for barrel lengths 22" and up.

Barrels are ranging from $399 to $700. SCAR doesn't reload, and it's still easier to find .308/7.62x51 on the shelf than 6.5G.

Not to mention plenty of optics and ballistic charts available for the .308/7.62x51 - and it'll mean less ammo types to keep on hand for SCAR in an emergency situation.

TheBert · Oct 31, 2014

HT4 said:
I'm coming to this party late, and I will be a little contrary...

Have you considered 6.5G in this role? At "overwatch" range, it can equal or exceed .308W in external ballistics and energy. As a combat rifle, it's easier to handle than a .308W. And the package will be a couple pounds lighter! That's a big deal IMO. It will be less expensive to build also.

Ammo is, of course, the issue... but that is getting better every day. And, frankly, for the kind of ammo that will be accurate out past 500 yards, there really isn't much of a price difference.

That is the one issue everyone overlooks with their X hits the fan scenarios, I believe. If we ever have to get out of Dodge we are going to take the 9mm, 45acp, 5.556 amd 12 gague. You are more likely to be able to scrounge up these calibers. However, if I am going through a city I will be sure to pack my for-tay!

Jaybeez · Oct 31, 2014

mopar92 said:
Scar APEX gun parts has some used PVS 14s. By the description used by a PMC in durka durka stan. So anti Jihad tested anti Jihad approved.

their pvs and ps 14's are export approved, that means that they have lower quality tubes suitable for use by foreign nationals. Gen 3 with low resolution and low specs. for the price, better to get a gen 3 device that isnt export approved.

but the gen 2's they have for $400 are a good buy. almost so cheap you can't go wrong, and should make fine dedicated rifle optics behind a forward mounted dot.

Jaybeez · Oct 31, 2014

erwos said:
Suggest you research the X-Sight further. The imagery coming from the sample sights is phenomenal for digital. Plus, it's magnified. Also, works both day and night.

I took your advice. the first place I researched was ATN's website. Their "example" night image is the same day light picture of a wolf that's been photoshopped green that they have been using for years.

the next place I checked was a review video atn posted of a reviewer from the uk, where they dont have lots of gen3 devices to compare to. digital is very popular in the uk, with lots of homebrew setups. in fact a uk forum is my go to resource for diy illuminators. they make good diy flashlights, they need to because digital is so dependent. non passive.
back to the topic. their "night" test location was a tunnel. using a strong illuminator they shot some video of a stuffed fox from a few feet away. but they were completely dependant on a illuminator, one that would light your position up like a beacon to anyone else using night vision, and illuminators have been know to spook game animals. i once had a house cat attack me when I turned one on, it jumped into the air and went for my face (illuminator on my micro). some swear deer and hogs can see them too.

the last place I checked was a video atn made themselves. http://youtu.be/dIHWOS3aoP4
1/4 moon and using a seperate illuminator. i'm not impressed.

one really tricky thing about digital systems, their video out can be decievingly better than their through the viewfinder images. And one major problem with ATN is their habit of discontinuing their proprietary devices after a few years. break your 4 or 5 year old ATN scope and you may very well be s.o.l. for spare parts and forget about non factory repairmen. Whereas with an AN/PVS anything spare parts abound, and some of the best repairmen amd experts in the country live within 2 hours of baltimore city. pvs14, 15, 7, 4, anvis 6 or 9, all have spare parts still available and easily found. Many other devices sentinels/pitbulls/micros/bnvd's use many milspec parts like switches and lenses, making them much more easy to repair and futureproof.

outrider58 · Nov 1, 2014

erwos said:
Suggest you research the X-Sight further. The imagery coming from the sample sights is phenomenal for digital. Plus, it's magnified. Also, works both day and night.

Plenty ambient light in urban settings :thumbsup:

teratos · Nov 1, 2014

outrider58 said:
Plenty ambient light in urban settings

Not if SHTF. May not be power.

SCARCQB · Nov 1, 2014

teratos said:
Not if SHTF. May not be power.

That's what happened. Lost power and it was completely dark. That got me thinking about the need for night vision. Can't hit anything you can't see.

Using visible light is actually like being a neon sign that states " shoot me".

Vile Shadow · Nov 1, 2014

Can you still buy night vision stuff?

Or did the sissies declare that off-limits to us peasants? :rolleyes:

Jaybeez · Nov 1, 2014

Sling Blade said:
Can you still buy night vision stuff?

Or did the sissies declare that off-limits to us peasants?

Short answer yes.

long answer, the latest and greatest is usually restricted either by the manufacturers or the gov to gov sales only, at least while it remains the latest and greatest. even if it weren't the price is typically prohibitive anyways.

Jaybeez · Nov 1, 2014

teratos said:
Not if SHTF. May not be power.

exactly. During the last hurricane when power was out everywhere I went outside to test my equipment without the normal ambient light. huge difference.

while I was out there a light came on. it looked like it was illuminating several acres under nods. I was shocked and thought someone turned on a spotlight. it was actually the 15 watt bulbs in my neighbor's car taillights. he was sitting in there charging his phone.

Scar, if you're ever in harford county at night we can meet somewhere and you can try them out.

Robert2888 · Nov 1, 2014

I see you had the FAL on your initial list. Being that was the one that got away from me before last Oct., is there anyway to still get one in this state? Sorry about jacking the thread, me just want one so bad!

SCARCQB · Nov 1, 2014

The great battle rifles ( FAL,G3, M1A) have been banned by the idiots in charge. We can only reminisce about the good old days in marylandistan.

I missed out on a psg-1. Still kicking myself for that.

teratos · Nov 1, 2014

Robert2888 said:
I see you had the FAL on your initial list. Being that was the one that got away from me before last Oct., is there anyway to still get one in this state? Sorry about jacking the thread, me just want one so bad!

Get it on the handgun roster (as a pistol, of course) then make it a SBR. Duffy's and a few other IPs have some neat things going on.

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