clandestine
AR-15 Savant
clan that is mean.... thus you are a meanie
with a threat 3 holster.... good luck
Worlds Dumbest Criminals is my favorite Sport to watch. Nothing like watching a LEO club idiots like baby seals.
clan that is mean.... thus you are a meanie
with a threat 3 holster.... good luck
Okay NEWB, how about LEO leaves me and my possessions alone until I do something that is deserving of being disarmed.You like to push buttons, I can tell by how you type. Your also the type that will one day push the wrong persons buttons and be in a shitstorm of hurt. If you wanna be a lawyer go pass the bar, nobodys stopping you. As for mpdc's post, I side with him. I've read a lot of his posts on here and he seems very fair. If he wants to hold someone's knife until something is sorted out I say go ahead. I believe the more comfortable you can make an Leo the better the outcome for you so why not?
I didn't say take. I said ask to hold. Understand what I said for what I wrote. Please don't turn it around to suit your petty argument.
Yet again you jump in a thread and add absolutely nothing. Its no wonder so many members have you on their ignore list.
Arent you the guy who jumps in and adds nothing but cop bashing into these threads? No wonder everyone has you on their "douchewaffle" list... And did you call someone a variety of the word "noob/newb"? That's sad man. Only video game kids use Internet slang like that... Don't worry tho, we still love you.
Of course I'm guessing here because the entire facts of this incident havent been posted.
But you can "conceal" a weapon from the police/public and have it come into plain view.
So defendant has gun in his waistband concealed from view. In his course of reaching for ID or anything else the officer observes it. Then wouldnt that be a "concealed" plain view case?
For safety huh? So if I'm legally walking around the National Mall and you walk past me and you see me with a knife clipped inside my pocket....That is cause to stop me and take my knife "for your safety?"
How about I ask to hold your gun for MY safety since cop or not, I have no reason what so ever to trust you?
On a side note, I'd love to hear the WHOLE story from buzzzy.
That's true insofar as a handgun in the waistband is concerned but, then again, that wouldn't be considered "plain view." Rather, that would be considered RAS for a search. Per the OP, the police officer spied the knife "clipped" on the top edge of his pocket and seized it without initiating proper search protocol.
I'm pretty sure that if a cop ID'd a handgun in the waistband of a suspect/interviewee, said officer would not simply reach out and grab said weapon from the waistband; then again, maybe I'm wrong about police conduct. However, I am not wrong in the search differential.
The situation here, as presented, is something of a search/not search variety. Either there was a legitimate safety search whereupon the officer discovered a potential weapon or there was no search initiated and officer was able to discover said weapon by a visual search of suspect/interviewee thus negating any concealment argument since the crux of concealment is hiding something so that it is not easily seen.
Huh. Rusty, how would the plain view idea apply to, say, a sheathed sword? Specifically, it was sheathed but carried openly, and the officer in charge wound up writing me a warning for 'carrying a concealed weapon in plane (sic) view.' Maybe it's just me, but I found (and still find) that all kinds of confusing.
This is not asking for legal advice, by the way - the incident that spawned this question happened many, many years ago when I was 17, and nothing came of it except that my mother had to go to the police station to get it back.
Huh. Rusty, how would the plain view idea apply to, say, a sheathed sword? Specifically, it was sheathed but carried openly, and the officer in charge wound up writing me a warning for 'carrying a concealed weapon in plane (sic) view.' Maybe it's just me, but I found (and still find) that all kinds of confusing.
This is not asking for legal advice, by the way - the incident that spawned this question happened many, many years ago when I was 17, and nothing came of it except that my mother had to go to the police station to get it back.
See, this is what happens when you wear extra socks in your pants. Draws too much attention, the cop no doubt was gay
thanx for the intell... ren fest here I come.... gonna bag my limit
Rusty if youre serious I'll ask an ASAO his opinion and yes hes conservative and a gun guy
I'd never even heard of renfest at that point, though it is a lot of fun - I mean where else can you win beers by throwing knives, axes, and other sharp/pointy things? Also, clevage. And belly dancers. And beer. Lots and lots of beer.
It was a martial arts thing, not a nerd thing, actually. The black belt exam for my organization required learning some weapons forms, and a friend in the neighborhood (in the same organization) wanted to borrow my sword to practice with. So, being naive and 17, the answer was clearly to grab the sword and start walking.
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I've found that candor, while being polite and cooperative, goes a long way.