Anne Arundel County States Attorney Race

HauptsAriba · Sep 28, 2014

Just wondering how many here know the importance of the AA County states attorney race. Anyone who followed the Pinkerton case will understand.

Anyone looking for the full details of the Pinkerton prosecution can find them in a thread here on MDS.

Bottom line, unless you want to be charged with murder for using lethal force IN your home when your door is kicked and you are attacked by someone who has already publicly assualted you, your wife and publicly threatened to kill you, then you need to vote out the incumbent.

This is not the type of prosecutor we need our tax dollars paying for. Bad enough Frosh is a sure bet, we can't have one of the last conservative places in the state become a self defense free zone.

Please, please inform yourselves and VOTE.

redeemed.man · Sep 28, 2014

I don't live in A.A. but it surely is an important race.

Mr H · Sep 28, 2014

Having spoken with Wes Adams a couple times, I find him to be firmly committed to doing the job right. He is currently a prosecutor (PG Co), and I believe he'll be significantly better than Leitess

I wonder if Jim Speros has seen her logo???

Jim12 · Sep 28, 2014

Wes Adams' website: https://www.electwesadams.com/

"Where I Stand" - Capital Gazette: http://www.capitalgazette.com/opinion/columns/ph-ac-ce-columns-0918-20140918,0,4548302.story

HauptsAriba · Sep 28, 2014

Jim12 said:
Wes Adams' website: https://www.electwesadams.com/

"Where I Stand" - Capital Gazette: http://www.capitalgazette.com/opinion/columns/ph-ac-ce-columns-0918-20140918,0,4548302.story

The article has inaccurate or misleading information. The interim SA is running for office again. She is the incumbent, and she prosecuted Pinkerton. Fortunately, it was thrown out by the judge, but it makes you think, what if the judge was of the same cloth. We might have a military family man behind bars for enacting castle doctrine (law in MD) with additional circumstances that strongly supported his defense. It is attrocious.

The prosecutor was quoted to say, I find it bizarre that when hearing someone kicking your door in at 2 am, your first reaction was to grab your gun.

Wow

redeemed.man · Sep 28, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
The article has inaccurate or misleading information. The interim SA is running for office again. She is the incumbent, and she prosecuted Pinkerton. Fortunately, it was thrown out by the judge, but it makes you think, what if the judge was of the same cloth. We might have a military family man behind bars for enacting castle doctrine (law in MD) with additional circumstances that strongly supported his defense. It is attrocious.

The prosecutor was quoted to say, I find it bizarre that when hearing someone kicking your door in at 2 am, your first reaction was to grab your gun.

Wow

I would find it odd if someone didn't grab a gun under those circumstances. Silly me.

Schipperke · Sep 29, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
Just wondering how many here know the importance of the AA County states attorney race.

Never put much thought in to it. Most likely they'd be white?

Mr H · Sep 29, 2014

Leitess has a horsie on her signs.

HauptsAriba · Oct 1, 2014

Mr H said:
Leitess has a horsie on her signs.

Well let's hope her horsie doesn't win the race.

fabsroman · Oct 1, 2014

You left out the Walker case, not that Pinkerton isn't enough reason to not re-elect Leitess.

If she wins, we know Anne Arundel County voters are just "misinformed". I just cannot fathom her winning, but I guess crazier things have happened in the history of the World.

HauptsAriba · Oct 1, 2014

fabsroman said:
You left out the Walker case, not that Pinkerton isn't enough reason to not re-elect Leitess.

If she wins, we know Anne Arundel County voters are just "misinformed". I just cannot fathom her winning, but I guess crazier things have happened in the history of the World.

I am not aware of the Walker case, your saying she did this to someone else too? Where might I find the details of that case?

Scottysan · Oct 1, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
I am not aware of the Walker case, your saying she did this to someone else too? Where might I find the details of that case?

This. Enlighten us on this case, Fabs! :thumbsup:

Seagrave1963 · Oct 1, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
I am not aware of the Walker case, your saying she did this to someone else too? Where might I find the details of that case?

It was the NJ detective involved in a shooting in I-97/Rt 3 area last June

http://www.npdf.org/legal-defense-detective-joseph-walker/

HauptsAriba · Oct 1, 2014

Seagrave1963 said:
It was the NJ detective involved in a shooting in I-97/Rt 3 area last June

http://www.npdf.org/legal-defense-detective-joseph-walker/

That's a very different scenario. I am guessing you are stating that Colt tried to prosecute him as well? From what I read, the NJ guy did not do what he could to avoid the conflict, nor was the other guy armed. I was surprised the NJ det was set free. The Pinkerton matter is about Castle Doctrine in MD. About being so clearly within the law that the notion of being prosecuted for the act is inconceivable. It is not about MD's laws, it is about a prosecutor who chose to prosecute even when the defender was clearly within the law, and more, much more more.

HauptsAriba · Oct 1, 2014

Seagrave1963 said:
It was the NJ detective involved in a shooting in I-97/Rt 3 area last June

http://www.npdf.org/legal-defense-detective-joseph-walker/

Interesting read. Apparently the AA states attorney's office has some real challenges with truth and law.

redeemed.man · Oct 1, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
That's a very different scenario. I am guessing you are stating that Colt tried to prosecute him as well? From what I read, the NJ guy did not do what he could to avoid the conflict, nor was the other guy armed. I was surprised the NJ det was set free. The Pinkerton matter is about Castle Doctrine in MD. About being so clearly within the law that the notion of being prosecuted for the act is inconceivable. It is not about MD's laws, it is about a prosecutor who chose to prosecute even when the defender was clearly within the law, and more, much more more.

Well said and exactly on point.

fabsroman · Oct 1, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
That's a very different scenario. I am guessing you are stating that Colt tried to prosecute him as well? From what I read, the NJ guy did not do what he could to avoid the conflict, nor was the other guy armed. I was surprised the NJ det was set free. The Pinkerton matter is about Castle Doctrine in MD. About being so clearly within the law that the notion of being prosecuted for the act is inconceivable. It is not about MD's laws, it is about a prosecutor who chose to prosecute even when the defender was clearly within the law, and more, much more more.

Yes, but she brought another case that she did not win. If you are arguing that she is inept, then you should argue Pinkerton and Walker. When Pinkerton was first mentioned on this board, I was a fence sitter to allow the facts to come out. Now, I am on Pinkerton's side. I really find it ironic that you do not want to bring Walker to light because it is a different set of circumstances. One way or the other, she either prosecuted an innocent man once again, or she completely screwed up another case. No doubt the charges should have been dropped against Pinkerton once "all" the evidence was acquired by the prosecution. If you believe Walker was in the wrong, then she let a murderer go free through a botched prosecution. If you believe Walker was innocent, then she prosecuted an innocent man. If she were to bring 100 murder cases against people and 100 of them were found Not Guilty for whatever reason, I would be arguing that she is completely incompetent and cannot determine what is a good case to prosecute.

HauptsAriba · Oct 3, 2014

fabsroman said:
Yes, but she brought another case that she did not win. If you are arguing that she is inept, then you should argue Pinkerton and Walker. When Pinkerton was first mentioned on this board, I was a fence sitter to allow the facts to come out. Now, I am on Pinkerton's side. I really find it ironic that you do not want to bring Walker to light because it is a different set of circumstances. One way or the other, she either prosecuted an innocent man once again, or she completely screwed up another case. No doubt the charges should have been dropped against Pinkerton once "all" the evidence was acquired by the prosecution. If you believe Walker was in the wrong, then she let a murderer go free through a botched prosecution. If you believe Walker was innocent, then she prosecuted an innocent man. If she were to bring 100 murder cases against people and 100 of them were found Not Guilty for whatever reason, I would be arguing that she is completely incompetent and cannot determine what is a good case to prosecute.

I am not arguing anything. It is clear she is inept, that point does not require additional evidence or mentioning another case. I know little of the other case, but more so now that you brought it to my attention. Thanks. I am not, not wanting to bring Walker to light. What I AM trying to do is raise awareness of the Pinkerton case as it hits home for all. Self defense INSIDE of the home, castle doctrine, law in MD. We have a SA who tried to prosecute the Man under circumstances that should not of even amounted to a trip to the station. That is my point, and the purpose of the post. The facts of the Pinkerton case tell everything one might need to know about this SA.

Seagrave1963 · Oct 3, 2014

fabsroman said:
Yes, but she brought another case that she did not win. If you are arguing that she is inept, then you should argue Pinkerton and Walker. When Pinkerton was first mentioned on this board, I was a fence sitter to allow the facts to come out. Now, I am on Pinkerton's side. I really find it ironic that you do not want to bring Walker to light because it is a different set of circumstances. One way or the other, she either prosecuted an innocent man once again, or she completely screwed up another case. No doubt the charges should have been dropped against Pinkerton once "all" the evidence was acquired by the prosecution. If you believe Walker was in the wrong, then she let a murderer go free through a botched prosecution. If you believe Walker was innocent, then she prosecuted an innocent man. If she were to bring 100 murder cases against people and 100 of them were found Not Guilty for whatever reason, I would be arguing that she is completely incompetent and cannot determine what is a good case to prosecute.

My God man! You are sooooooooooooooooooooo wrong in the arena of public perception! ! ! ! ! ! ! It's all about how it looks and feels! and not about facts!!!!!! :lol2:

fabsroman · Oct 3, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
I am not arguing anything. It is clear she is inept, that point does not require additional evidence or mentioning another case. I know little of the other case, but more so now that you brought it to my attention. Thanks. I am not, not wanting to bring Walker to light. What I AM trying to do is raise awareness of the Pinkerton case as it hits home for all. Self defense INSIDE of the home, castle doctrine, law in MD. We have a SA who tried to prosecute the Man under circumstances that should not of even amounted to a trip to the station. That is my point, and the purpose of the post. The facts of the Pinkerton case tell everything one might need to know about this SA.

Some people can dismiss one screw up and give a person a second chance. Now, multiple screw ups, well.............

So, your point is that it is more important to be able to defend yourself inside your home than outside of your home. People can relate to having to defend themselves inside their homes, but cannot relate to having to defend themselves outside of their homes. Personally, I am more afraid for my safety and my family's safety outside of my home than inside of my home.

I do agree that Pinkerton was a much bigger screw up because it didn't even make it to the jury. There just wasn't enough evidence to get it that far.

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