MD Legal AR-15

rbird7282 · Feb 10, 2015

mrgnstrn said:
While I'd tend to agree that your description, in fact, describes a heavy barrel, can you provide some sort of objective evidence that the same definition is being used by MSP?

I ask, not to be an a$$, but because elsewhere on MDshooters, I've seen that the only hoop is that the barrel maker stamp their barrel with "heavy" "HB" "HBAR" or similar, or that their literature of the barrel describe it as "heavy".

This would seem to be different standard than your otherwise reasonable description of a heavy barrel.

And I'm not sure which is the description that MSP will use if....things are not peachy keen.

-M

edit: I'd like to point out that I'm not questioning Engage's practices; from what I've seen they actually meet both standards: it is at least 0.750" for the entire length and it's stamped HB.
my only question is which of those two is the standard MSP uses.

MSP doesn't have a standard. There is nothing written in COMAR. MD passed the buck to FFL's and manufacturer's.
Get an AR from Engage and don't worry about it. They make a kick ass AR.

deerhtr · Feb 11, 2015

is this available in 300 blk

t84a · Feb 11, 2015

I think I'm heading to Engage this morning.

RoboRay · Feb 11, 2015

rbird7282 said:
MSP doesn't have a standard. There is nothing written in COMAR. MD passed the buck to FFL's and manufacturer's.
Get an AR from Engage and don't worry about it. They make a kick ass AR.

Right. The law (thanks to Equal Protection of the non-Colt manufacturers) allows ARs that meet a certain criteria, then never actually defines the criteria. The executive branch (MSP) cannot simply set the criteria themselves on what's legal... that's the legislature's job. The judicial branch can interpret the law to clarify the criteria per the law, but there's been no case yet so they've got no input.

As things stand, anyone with any AR-15 that's not a Colt Sporter HBAR could be charged and taken to court. Where the prosecutor would have to prove that the AR-15 in question does not have a heavy barrel. Which would be rather difficult since there's no definition in the law of what constitutes a heavy barrel.

Meanwhile, if the AR-15 owner has anything that indicates that it possibly could be a heavy barrel (sales slip, advertising flyer, stamp on the barrel, measurements matching that of the Colt Sporter HBAR barrel, etc.), then all of the available evidence in the case is supporting his side. "Innocent until proven guilty" makes the outcome a pretty forgone conclusion.

Most prosecutors aren't stupid, and they can see that minefield from a mile away. They're not going to step in it.

OP, relax and enjoy HBAR ARs.

mrgnstrn · Feb 11, 2015

rbird7282 said:
MSP doesn't have a standard. There is nothing written in COMAR. MD passed the buck to FFL's and manufacturer's.
Get an AR from Engage and don't worry about it. They make a kick ass AR.

Engage does make a nice rifle. and if I wasn't poor, it'd be mine.
I really liked the one with the standard front sight post and the MOE handguards, midlength...it was yummy.

BUT...it's pricey.

I guess I have to save my shillings for a bit more....

OrbitalEllipses · Feb 11, 2015

The new basic E4 rifle costs less than MSRP on a Colt M4gery.

t84a · Feb 11, 2015

All the positive posts about Engage are spot on. Thanks for the replies.

tsmith1499 · Feb 11, 2015

Soooo Waddya buy????????? Or just window shopping for now?

t84a · Feb 20, 2015

tsmith1499 said:
Soooo Waddya buy????????? Or just window shopping for now?

From Engage:

kenpo333 · Feb 20, 2015

t84a said:
I would like info on this.

You can PM me or email me at terp84alum@yahoo.com. Thanks

I have an engage that I really like but I also thought that LWRC's were also legal and made in Maryland. LWRC is more expensive so engage ia a great value for your dollar. Never had a problem with mine after over 500 rounds

Brownl345 · Mar 1, 2015

I bought this from Engage on Friday and I couldn't be more pleased with it. They will be my go-to for all AR needs. Now, I just need to find time to head to Freestate for a couple of hours.

protegeV · Mar 1, 2015

Brownl345 said:
I bought this from Engage on Friday and I couldn't be more pleased with it. They will be my go-to for all AR needs. Now, I just need to find time to head to Freestate for a couple of hours.

Nice job, and welcome. Good first post :thumbsup:

outrider58 · Mar 1, 2015

Now put that thing away and get back to your chores(ironing)! :lol:

Brownl345 · Mar 1, 2015

outrider58 said:
Now put that thing away and get back to your chores(ironing)!

Haha. My wife said the same thing. It just goes to show that an E4 is beautiful against any background.

dadof2badboys · Mar 5, 2015

Great Shop.. Great Folks.. Most of their parts are really reasonably priced. (Barrels are expensive, I think they tack on an extra HBAR label tax)

NateIU10 · Mar 5, 2015

dadof2badboys said:
Great Shop.. Great Folks.. Most of their parts are really reasonably priced. (Barrels are expensive, I think they tack on an extra HBAR label tax)

Nah, no HBAR tax. The white oak barrels are expensive. Thanks for the kind words!

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