Bless your diligence, Minuteman, but you're mixing up your threads. Visit OP and see where you are...
...see you tomorrow at THE rally, (at the Annapolis - Open Holster Rally).
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Bless your diligence, Minuteman, but you're mixing up your threads. Visit OP and see where you are...
...see you tomorrow at THE rally, (at the Annapolis - Open Holster Rally).
krucam
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Thanks and welcome Ed...
For everyone, there is a Sticky in the Nat'l 2A Thread, Coping with Concealed Carry. It might be good for everyone to review standards and expectations for WHEN Shall-Issue becomes reality in MD. It is a huge responsibility that comes with carrying. Sermon over, please read this sticky: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=13719
Let's just see together tomorrow who shows up and who doesn't.
After that we can reconcile who's with us and who's maybe...
After that we can reconcile who's with us and who's maybe...
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Not my intent at all to sound like a Md Government spin doctor, HOWEVER I wasnt going to apply in Md due to the negative vib I got from forums such as this. Being the stubborn guy I am I still tried and obtianed a CCW in Md for a reason other than stated by MSP. My restriction is I can CCW while transporting musical instruments as an endorsing artists for an instrument company. No threats, no large sums of cash, not a busniess owner, not a doctor, and I dont think I am at all "connected" with anyone. My experience was pleasant and positive. Perhaps I am an "oddity". Since I have my foot in the door perhaps I could get the restriction lifted in the future.
I still think if more applied in Md it would put strain on the existing process. MD cites its percentage of permits issued being high, but how many apply? If we tripled the applications and they didnt triple the issued permits that arguement would go away.
I agree, there should be some sort of training or check and balance for CCW. I think is is funny that Md doesnt require ANY training for a CCW but is one of the toughest states to get one.
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Not my intent at all to sound like a Md Government spin doctor, HOWEVER I wasnt going to apply in Md due to the negative vib I got from forums such as this. Being the stubborn guy I am I still tried and obtianed a CCW in Md for a reason other than stated by MSP. My restriction is I can CCW while transporting musical instruments as an endorsing artists for an instrument company. No threats, no large sums of cash, not a busniess owner, not a doctor, and I dont think I am at all "connected" with anyone. My experience was pleasant and positive. Perhaps I am an "oddity". Since I have my foot in the door perhaps I could get the restriction lifted in the future.
I still think if more applied in Md it would put strain on the existing process. MD cites its percentage of permits issued being high, but how many apply? If we tripled the applications and they didnt triple the issued permits that arguement would go away.
I agree, there should be some sort of training or check and balance for CCW. I think is is funny that Md doesnt require ANY training for a CCW but is one of the toughest states to get one.
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Boondock Saint
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As much as I hate spamming threads with off topic posts, the Open Holster Rally tomorrow is a chance for us to show real force in our numbers. It's time to go on the offensive, folks. The rally is from 12-6 tomorrow at the end of Main Street in Annapolis. There's a parking garage about 300 feet from the rally point. I really and truly hope to see a lot of folks at the rally. I'll have the white MSI tshirts as well as some of the blue "Ask Me About My Empty Holster" shirts.
Come one, come all, bring your families! Take a few hours to stand up for your rights.
Come one, come all, bring your families! Take a few hours to stand up for your rights.
Not fair. I have a funeral to go to. I went to the first one, but have always had other obligations for the others. I do write a lot of letters and donate money when i can....
I practice medicine near Baltimore. I can carry to and from the office and when transporting narcotics. I keep controlled drugs in my bag, which is with me (in my car) all the time. I think everyone should be able to carry without an awful lot of scrutiny. I would prefer a system like VT, AK, AZ. If I didn't, I wouldn't belong to MSI. I jumped through the hoops because I feel more comfortable carrying a gun. That doesn't mean I like the hoops.
clandestine
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I planned to be there, but I was called off for emergency work in Norfolk so I cant go. I have a MD CCW and Im VERY much for our cause.
I just cant make it this time. I just left my house to head down to VA.
Oh no - don't believe that for a second. You see once you are admitted to their exclusive club, you stop being one of the unwashed masses.
Walk in i
Nope - you were admitted to their special club.
Walk in off the street with an application and see the reception you get
Had a LEO buddy go in. They were all up his a$$ UNTIL he stated he was law enforcement.
BAM - all of a sudden they are like "Why didn't you just say so?"
Me too, I've had generally a good experience with the MDSP.
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I did walk in off the street. They don't know me. I was never LEO. I happen to have a job that fits the mold. I disagree strongly with the policies, but I believe they come more from the AG than the MSP. That's just my experience.
OK - what is the amount I am throwing down the toilet if I decide to apply?
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Complete BS. Im not a LEO and I have 2 MD Permits. Never have I been given shit by the MSP or their Staff.
$117.00 Plus Prints, and Passport Photos for 2 years, after that renewals are about $85 and are good foor 3 years. MSP only takes Livescan prints for permits now too, but are supposedly gonna change is to accepting both again.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
My apologies for my absence and my most gracious thanks for those who can attend in my stead.
We need more fellas like you.
Well the MSP have acted like tools to 3 people I know who applied for and were granted permits. YMMV
I guess it depends on who does the interviewing. I found out after the fact the the guy who did mine was my brother-in-laws former shift partner. (my BIL is retired MSP). He said the trooper was very much in favor of everyone carrying. There are probably some anti-shall issue troopers out there. Who knows. My experience was surprisingly smooth. I expected what you describe. If I were a member of the club, there would be no restrictions on mine.
Also, keep up the good work. I appreciate what you are doing. It is very necessary. It looks like all the hard work will come to fruition soon.
I guess it depends on who does the interviewing. I found out after the fact the the guy who did mine was my brother-in-laws former shift partner. (my BIL is retired MSP). He said the trooper was very much in favor of everyone carrying. There are probably some anti-shall issue troopers out there. Who knows. My experience was surprisingly smooth. I expected what you describe. If I were a member of the club, there would be no restrictions on mine.
Also, keep up the good work. I appreciate what you are doing. It is very necessary. It looks like all the hard work will come to fruition soon.
Yeah these guys said they were grilled pretty hard and basically told they just wanted to shoot someone
They stayed cool and the MSP basically issued.
Maybe Monday I'll get the print cards I need.
ETA: I know my dad was working on the subway at Pennsylvania Avenue (BAD PLACE) and tried to get an application - back before the web.
MSP: why do you want a permit
Dad: I am working in a very BAD area
MSP: What do you think you are Wyatt Earp
DAD: How about we take a ride and I let your white ass out 5 blocks from my office with no gun and I bet you don't make it to the office. You make it, I don't get one - I can see I'll be getting a permit.
MSP: No deal
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From my experience the MSP troopers do what they are told to do from the top. While there are no doubt bad apples who give some a harder time than others, the mystique is really overblown. You either fit their criteria or you don't. Sometimes, a different reason might get you a permit (like the musical instruments). The overriding factors are MONEY and DANGEROUS GOODS. Transporting a lot of money gets you a permit, transporting narcotics gets you a permit and transporting expensive/bad juju if stolen stuff (guns, instruments, etc.) gets you a permit.
Of course, there are the people who have elevated threats on their lives who get them.
Generalized self-defense WILL NOT get issued a permit.
Of course, there are the people who have elevated threats on their lives who get them.
Generalized self-defense WILL NOT get issued a permit.
I'll let you know in a couple of weeks.
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