Larry Hogan "supports" the second amendment...

Minuteman · Jul 26, 2014

ShallNotInfringe said:
Pretty sure that's Lollar.

Sure hope Hogan is as passionate about eliminating Brown as he was about his primary opponents.

Yep, that's Lollar; didn't mean to imply it was Brown. 'Sights' now focused on Brown, means he's no longer debating the Republican's, he's now running against Brown. I like the intensity of his gaze in that image.

I understand a lot of folks sat out the primary elections; but if we could get everyone to vote in the general election we have a chance to elect better people to represent us.

I see Brown as just a continuation of the failed O'Malley policy. Why people don't see Brown as a weaker version of O'Malley is beyond me.

The fact that Brown is avoiding any debate with Hogan should be a clear sign to anyone with half a brain that he's betting he will win on superficial qualifications rather than substance.

Good luck to us all.

jpo183 · Jul 26, 2014

Straightshooter said:
At least you weren't sitting on your deck chair listening to the music.

I am entitled to an opinion because I vote. Otherwise I would not be entitled to one.

Straightshooter · Jul 26, 2014

Correct.

Minuteman · Jul 26, 2014

We vote.

Check.

We also influence others to vote.

Check mate.

Straightshooter · Jul 26, 2014

Non voters do have the right to bitch but I also have the right to not listen to or give a chit about their opinion. Non voters place themselves in a category of humans that equate to little ankle biting yapper dogs and I ignored those also.

Mr H · Jul 26, 2014

Storm40 said:
Once again, stuck voting against a candidate. I would love to actually vote FOR someone at some point. There is no doubt hogan is getting my vote, but I wish I could get excited about the prospect.

The point here (and no direct indictment intended), is that without better people RUNNING for office, and better voter SUPPORT, we won't get better CANDIDATES.

Storm40 · Jul 27, 2014

Mr H said:
The point here (and no direct indictment intended), is that without better people RUNNING for office, and better voter SUPPORT, we won't get better CANDIDATES.

I'm really not saying Hogan is the worst candidate ever. I look at this race between a pile of cow droppings and a ham sandwich. I like the ham sandwich a lot better than the cow droppings, but it ain't no crab cake, either!

Now, let's say he gets elected and his first executive order is to accept "self defense" as a G&S. I will crawl a mile over broken glass to beg forgiveness for not seeing the light earlier. However grounded in reality his statements are about FSA13, it would be nice to have some reason to believe he's going to work to better the 2A situation in Md.

Finally, as an independent in Md., I really don't get a choice in who I get to vote for in the General election. That's my choice and I have to live with the consequences thereof, but I am still disappointed in my choices. To be fair, I should do more research on Mr. Hogan. I'm sure there are many points on which he and I might otherwise agree. I just want to believe whoever I'm going to elect is going to address the things that are most dear to me.

Mr H · Jul 27, 2014

Fair enough. Thanks.

Respen33 · Jul 27, 2014

Conservatives don't not get elected unless they campaign center platform. Hogan is just playing the game, which puts doubt and worry in 2a voters.

Hogan is correct, he cannot repeal SB281, but if he said he wanted it repealed he could put pressure on the MD senate and House of Delegates.

We won't get better until the pitchforks come out.

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Straightshooter · Jul 27, 2014

Storm,
as an independent you do get a choice as to who to send to the general election. That choice in on the form of switching to whichever party has the most palatable candidate. This action takes only a few key stroked on the computer to complete but independents would rather sit back and whine that "i had no choice. That's bullchit.

Storm40 · Jul 27, 2014

Straightshooter said:
Storm,
as an independent you do get a choice as to who to send to the general election. That choice in on the form of switching to whichever party has the most palatable candidate. This action takes only a few key stroked on the computer to complete but independents would rather sit back and whine that "i had no choice. That's bullchit.

Yeah, I know I can change parties at whim, but there's a reason I haven't registered with either. I suppose it's a bit of a moral decision. I'd much rather have the option, as an unaffiliated voter, to vote exactly once in whichever primary I might decide to. That, I realize, if far easier said than done and open to a lot of opportunities of voter fraud, but a man can dream.

To say, however, that it is bullchit to whine about having no choice when your choices are to register for a party you wouldn't normally affiliate with or don't vote at all is neither fair nor logical. After all, the parties themselves choose who can vote in their primaries. Maybe it's bullchit that the republicans simply don't wish to reach out to the independents? You know, the very independents they need to win a general election (admittedly, along with a boat load of democrats...)? It's a two way street. I choose not to affiliate, I choose to live with those consequences. I can still lament that I have to vote for someone whom I may not have otherwise chosen to vote. That's not bullchit.

Straightshooter · Jul 27, 2014

Your first paragraph says exactly what I said. You chose not to exercise that option. Please explain the way in which you'd like the republicans to be reach out to you. Your evening about not having input when you really do IS BULLCHIT.

PMD354 · Jul 27, 2014

Straightshooter said:
Non voters do have the right to bitch but I also have the right to not listen to or give a chit about their opinion. Non voters place themselves in a category of humans that equate to little ankle biting yapper dogs and I ignored those also.

I see things a little differant.

DON'T VOTE!

DON'T BITCH!

Straightshooter · Jul 27, 2014

Pretty much sums it up. But those that throw the "we independents get screwed' crap when the laws give them the choice that they claim they don't have, gets old.

Mr H · Jul 27, 2014

Straightshooter said:
Pretty much sums it up. But those that throw the "we independents get screwed' crap when the laws give them the choice that they claim they don't have, gets old.

Precisely why I'm currently a Dem.

Sorry, I have trouble typing the whole word...

Straightshooter · Jul 27, 2014

Its the slim on your fingers from voting D.

Storm40 · Jul 27, 2014

After all, the parties themselves choose who can vote in their primaries.

Neither party allows independents to vote in their primaries. The parties themselves. Not the laws of the State of Maryland. That is EXACTLY the way I want republicans to reach out to me. I didn't think that was ambiguous.

The only way for me to have input is to pretend to affiliate with a party, which I clearly ordinarily do not wish to do, to fake my way into the primary. I do not fault those who choose to do so, but it is not something in which I wish to participate.

While I do not care if you disagree with me, I am starting to take offense at you telling me that I'm whining and my opinions are bullchit.

Mr H · Jul 27, 2014

Straightshooter said:
Its the slim on your fingers from voting D.

Not much slim about my fingers. The SLIME, though....

After the meeting I attended tonight, I think this will be a very interesting--and fun--election season. Assuming, of course, everyone puts in some time supporting the candidates we need to start turning this crate around.

Straightshooter · Jul 27, 2014

You persist in blaming the parties for not letting you vote in their primaries even after being told repeatedly that you can in fact vote in either primary you choose by you consist on falling back on the tired old moral high ground crap. What do you want the Republicans to do, come to your house and change your affiliation for you so that you can vote R? Or are you whining like the rest of the independents this want open primaries which would allow you to do the same thing but being able to call yourself 'independent". Well, that ain't an option.

Mr H · Jul 27, 2014

Storm40 said:
Neither party allows independents to vote in their primaries. The parties themselves. Not the laws of the State of Maryland. That is EXACTLY the way I want republicans to reach out to me. I didn't think that was ambiguous.

I covered some of that a little while back. As I hear it Rs are looking into it... Ds, not so much.

The only way for me to have input is to pretend to affiliate with a party, which I clearly ordinarily do not wish to do, to fake my way into the primary. I do not fault those who choose to do so, but it is not something in which I wish to participate.

Many of us are doing just that, for any number of reasons... but all of them are geared toward electing good folks for the next phase. It's a long term process.

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