SB281 Guns FAQ

Mark75H · Nov 18, 2014

ARRobert said:
It was originally sold as a stripped lower post 10/1. (i.e. it did not have a barrel profile specified.) What if it has an HBAR installed on the upper now? Seems to me like that should be legal unless I missed something.
R

Correct, but in your first question you specified banned

ARRobert · Nov 18, 2014

I appreciate the replies but I am not sure I follow.
You are saying that if I have a post 10/1 lower that I buy as a complete rifle with a light contour barrel I cannot change it to an HBAR to make it legal? But if I buy a post 10/1 stripped lower I can add an HBAR and then it is legal? Do I misunderstand?
R

Mark75H · Nov 18, 2014

ARRobert said:
I appreciate the replies but I am not sure I follow.
You are saying that if I have a post 10/1 lower that I buy as a complete rifle with a light contour barrel I cannot change it to an HBAR to make it legal? But if I buy a post 10/1 stripped lower I can add an HBAR and then it is legal? Do I misunderstand?
R

You can't have a post 10/1 non-HBAR legal MD rifle

You probably have one more chance

In Post #620 the previously "banned" rifle became a post 10/1 stripped lower ... by MD definition, that lower is either a pistol or already HBAR

Pinecone · Nov 19, 2014

You cannot legally buy a non-HBAR AR after Oct 1, 2013. It is illegal to sell in the state by state law. And illegal to be sold to an MD resident at an out of state FFL by Federal law.

If someone has a pre-Oct 1, 2013 non-HBAAR AR rifle, they cannot sell it in any way to an MD resident. They COULD sell the low (regulated) and the upper separately, but if they were put back together by the buyer, that would be illegal.

ARRobert · Nov 19, 2014

Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Does this also mean I cannot buy a stripped lower anymore in MD since the barrel profile would be undetermined?
R

Edit: this is interesting

http://www.freestategunrange.com/crazy-deals/2014/8/3/md-legal-ar-15-lower-receiver-sale

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=144805

Did something change?
R

erwos · Nov 19, 2014

Yes. You can buy receivers in MD now. They have to go on a 77r. You cannot build an otherwise-banned rifle or pistol from them.

toshu · Dec 15, 2014

AR pistol question

I am planning on building an AR pistol w a post Oct 13 lower.

My question for the group, is how long can the barrel be, or more importantly what can the OAL be?? Based on my readings, it seems to me that the OAL must be 26" maximum, but I may be too conservative in my interpretation

Does anyone know of AR pistols being sold now that have an AOL greater than 26 that are approved??

Thanks

toshu · Dec 15, 2014

HBAR definition

I am considering building an HBAR on a post Oct 13 lower and have some questions.

Based on the 29 ' minimum length and copy cat rules, it seems that you can build one with a collapsible stock, as long as you dont have a FH. So OAL length measured from the open stock to the barrel end for either a non-threaded barrel, or one that is threaded but has a thread cap would appear to be easily doable.

The tough question that I cant seem to find anywhere is how do you define a HBAR upper/ barrel.

What is the minimum barrel diameter or contour that is OK??

Does the barrel need to be stamped HB??

Does it have to be a Bull barrel?

Does it have to be a Colt HBAR barrel or upper?

Can the Heavy Barrel be Fluted??

MKR03 · Dec 15, 2014

toshu said:
I am considering building an HBAR on a post Oct 13 lower and have some questions.

Based on the 29 ' minimum length and copy cat rules, it seems that you can build one with a collapsible stock, as long as you dont have a FH. So OAL length measured from the open stock to the barrel end for either a non-threaded barrel, or one that is threaded but has a thread cap would appear to be easily doable.

The tough question that I cant seem to find anywhere is how do you define a HBAR upper/ barrel.

What is the minimum barrel diameter or contour that is OK??

Does the barrel need to be stamped HB??

Does it have to be a Bull barrel?

Does it have to be a Colt HBAR barrel or upper?

Can the Heavy Barrel be Fluted??

Collapsible stock + flash hider is fine, just don't add a flare/grenade launcher. Collapsible stocks are not evil features. The terms "HBAR" and "heavy" are not defined in statute or COMAR. MSP has said that for the barrel to be heavy, the manufacturer has to advertise or describe it as heavy. They have not given any guidance as to diameter/dimensions. It does not need to be stamped, does not need to be a bull barrel, and does not have to be a colt. It can be fluted AFAIK. I would say that heavy barrels that come fluted from the factory are definitely GTG...a heavy barrel that you have fluted yourself may be a little more of a gray area.

ETA: As far as the 29" OAL, this really only applies to SBR's. If you're building an SBR or pistol, barrel contour is irrelevant (if you are planning on an SBR, you might as well hold off until the current BATFE deal is resolved). If you're building a rifle (barrel > 16"), your OAL will be well over 29".

MKR03 · Dec 15, 2014

toshu said:
I am planning on building an AR pistol w a post Oct 13 lower.

My question for the group, is how long can the barrel be, or more importantly what can the OAL be?? Based on my readings, it seems to me that the OAL must be 26" maximum, but I may be too conservative in my interpretation

Does anyone know of AR pistols being sold now that have an AOL greater than 26 that are approved??

Thanks

The barrel/OAL can be as short as you want. If the OAL is < 26", you cannot add a VFG, or you've made an AOW. If the OAL is >26", you can add a VFG and it won't be subject to NFA (just don't put a stock on it).

toshu · Dec 15, 2014

MKR03 said:
The barrel/OAL can be as short as you want. If the OAL is < 26", you cannot add a VFG, or you've made an AOW. If the OAL is >26", you can add a VFG and it won't be subject to NFA (just don't put a stock on it).

I know that those are federal rules but are they MD rules????
More importantly is a firearm over 26 still legal in MD sine its no longer concealable ??

BigDaddy · Dec 15, 2014

toshu said:
I know that those are federal rules but are they MD rules????
More importantly is a firearm over 26 still legal in MD sine its no longer concealable ??

It's confusing. In MD a short barrel rifle is both a rifle and a handgun.
It has to be >26" and on the handgun roster. It also gets an ATF tax stamp.

A straight handgun, even if it's an AR or an AK doesn't have a maximum length, and is just a handgun.

MKR03 · Dec 15, 2014

toshu said:
I know that those are federal rules but are they MD rules????
More importantly is a firearm over 26 still legal in MD sine its no longer concealable ??

In MD, if the barrel is shorter than 16" and it doesn't have a buttstock, it's a pistol. An AR pistol with an OAL >26" is legal in MD (and federally). A 10.5" barrel + carbine buffer tube will put you right around 26. AFAIK, the 26" OAL number/concealibility factor is really a federal issue. In the eyes of BATFE, OAL <26 + VFG = AOW. OAL >26 + VFG is exempt from NFA unless it is ACTUALLY concealed (not just concealable).

toshu · Dec 16, 2014

Thanks guys. I appreciate the info. I plan on building 2 11.5" pistols and SS fluted 16 or 18 in rifles

audi0artist · Dec 26, 2014

so the vz2008 with folding stock is illegal? everyone ive been talking to said they're a go.

Vile Shadow · Dec 26, 2014

audi0artist said:
so the vz2008 with folding stock is illegal? everyone ive been talking to said they're a go.

They're only illegal when installed on a gun that's also currently equipped with a flash suppressor or a grenade launcher.

audi0artist · Dec 26, 2014

Sling Blade said:
They're only illegal when installed on a gun that's also currently equipped with a flash suppressor or a grenade launcher.

thanks. youve answered pretty much the same question three different times.

MightyWarMonger · Jan 14, 2015

erwos said:
Q: Can my kids inherit my banned firearms?
A: Yes. Inheritance is one of the carve-outs, provided the firearm was lawfully owned by the deceased. The text doesn't seem to distinguish between out of state or in-state.

Has there been any clarification on this? more specifically the out of state thing

Mightydog · Jan 28, 2015

Still trying to figure if a S&W M&P-15 sport, 5.56 semi-auto rifle is banned or not. Dealer (Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore) says they will sell to me w/o 30rd mags if my FFL will accept it. With LEO/Military discount comes to only $519 (list of $839). Can anyone help? Is it good-to-go?

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BUFF7MM · Jan 28, 2015

Mightydog said:
Still trying to figure if a S&W M&P-15 sport, 5.56 semi-auto rifle is banned or not. Dealer (Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore) says they will sell to me w/o 30rd mags if my FFL will accept it. With LEO/Military discount comes to only $519 (list of $839). Can anyone help? Is it good-to-go?

NRA member
Ret Army MSG
VFW/AL member
Registered Voter

Sounds like you need to contact your FFL. It doesn't matter what you hear for here, your FFL is going to have the final say on what they want to take the chance on transferring to you.

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