Kolbe v O'Malley being Appealed to CA4

GTOGUNNER · Mar 26, 2015

Is the law severable? So basically the court rewrites the law with the unconstitutional part removed?

lx1x · Mar 26, 2015

esqappellate said:
Well, yes, it could be, if the test they adopt turns in part on how restrictive the limit is. For example, 10 rds is much more restrictive, especially with respect to handguns, than 20 is. I can't think of many standard mags for semiauto handguns of more than 20. Almost all (except the 1911s and other .45s etc), come in at between 10 and 20.

Only hg I can think of that can load 20/is fn five seven.

Is the legal battle covers only hg portion or does it include rifles as Inigoes said.. 30 for ar.

dblas · Mar 26, 2015

lx1x said:
Only hg I can think of that can load 20/is fn five seven.

Is the legal battle covers only hg portion or does it include rifles as Inigoes said.. 30 for ar.

Magazine capacity, period

tc617 · Mar 26, 2015

esqappellate said:
Well, yes, it could be, if the test they adopt turns in part on how restrictive the limit is. For example, 10 rds is much more restrictive, especially with respect to handguns, than 20 is. I can't think of many standard mags for semiauto handguns of more than 20. Almost all (except the 1911s and other .45s etc), come in at between 10 and 20.

lx1x said:
Only hg I can think of that can load 20/is fn five seven.

Is the legal battle covers only hg portion or does it include rifles as Inigoes said.. 30 for ar.

AR and the AK variant pistols are on the Maryland Handgun Roster. If you go to any website on the internet, they will most likely be listed with a standard 30 round magazine capacity.

makijo · Mar 26, 2015

GTOGUNNER said:
Put your money somewhere else. AARP is anti gun.

Join Association of Mature American Citizens (AMAC), They are the conservative, non-liberal version of AARP.

lx1x · Mar 26, 2015

tc617 said:
AR and the AK variant pistols are on the Maryland Handgun Roster. If you go to any website on the internet, they will most likely be listed with a standard 30 round magazine capacity.

Wasn't it added recently though?

lx1x · Mar 26, 2015

dblas said:
Magazine capacity, period

what I thought.

tc617 · Mar 26, 2015

lx1x said:
Wasn't it added recently though?

AR pistols were on the handgun roster before FSA'13. After FSA'13 the were listed for LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. It was later that some were approved for the general masses.

I have a screen shot of the handgun roster regarding AR pistols pre-FSA'13 that proves this... I'll look for it and post it.

lx1x · Mar 26, 2015

tc617 said:
AR pistols were on the handgun roster before FSA'13. After FSA'13 the were listed for LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. It was later that some were approved for the general masses.

I have a screen shot of the handgun roster regarding AR pistols pre-FSA'13 that proves this... I'll look for it and post it.

. Thanks!

erwos · Mar 26, 2015

tc617 said:
AR pistols were on the handgun roster before FSA'13. After FSA'13 the were listed for LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. It was later that some were approved for the general masses.

I have a screen shot of the handgun roster regarding AR pistols pre-FSA'13 that proves this... I'll look for it and post it.

I think you're confusing "AR pistols" with "Bushmaster pistols in particular". Different issue.

teratos · Mar 26, 2015

esqappellate said:
Well, yes, it could be, if the test they adopt turns in part on how restrictive the limit is. For example, 10 rds is much more restrictive, especially with respect to handguns, than 20 is. I can't think of many standard mags for semiauto handguns of more than 20. Almost all (except the 1911s and other .45s etc), come in at between 10 and 20.

As mentioned before, the standard AR magazine is 30. If I were fixin' to overthrow the government, I would dust off my AR, not my pistol. Not being argumentative, but why wouldn't the whole idea of a magazine capacity limit go out the window?

TxAggie · Mar 26, 2015

dblas said:
The discussion finally got around to any semi automatic handgun, regardless of the magazine capacity, "let's take the magazine capacity out of the equation, would a semi-automatic handgun be constitutionally protected?"

Fader, reluctantly answered yes, with his new boss (Frosh) sitting at the table behind him.

Really a no win situation for Fader to be in.

That pretty much applies to the entire law if they're being honest about it.

tc617 · Mar 26, 2015

erwos said:
I think you're confusing "AR pistols" with "Bushmaster pistols in particular". Different issue.

The Bushmaster pistols are based on the AR platform... They are AR pistols and have standard 30 round capacity magazines.

Pre FSA'13 the Bushmaster C-15, Carbon 15, and Pit Viper Pistol were on the Maryland Handgun Roster.

Post FSA'13 They were banned as ASSAULT PISTOLS and only available US GOVT, ARMED FORCES, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

They are sold by Bushmaster with a standard 30 round capacity magazine, but in Maryland you had to purchase them with neutered 20 round magazines.

esqappellate · Mar 26, 2015

Inigoes said:
The standard magazine capacity for an AR15 is 30 rounds. Doesn't have to be handguns.

Yes I know. Handguns was an example. Btw the standard for my AR10 is 20. It all depends on the test they adopt

rambling_one · Mar 26, 2015

DC-W said:
I just failed 101

Best approach is to think of a pie cut into three pieces, all having a similar filling.

erwos · Mar 26, 2015

tc617 said:
The Bushmaster pistols are based on the AR platform... They are AR pistols and have standard 30 round capacity magazines.

But it wasn't all AR pistols, it was just the Bushmasters. That's because the assault pistols list has "Bushmaster pistol" on it, and some idiot recently didn't understand it was referring to the Gwinn Bushmaster pistol (which is not an AR-15 pistol at all), and instead thought it meant every pistol Bushmaster ever made. (Which is why you can't buy any Bushie rifles or pistols here anymore... idiocy.)

For example, the LWRC, Engage, LMT, and Radical guns are on there, with no such warning.

rambling_one · Mar 26, 2015

rockstarr said:
so ill be applying for AARP before this is over...

Lucky you! I'll be two years past 3/4's of a century. Might have to hire someone to tote my side arm for me.

tc617 · Mar 26, 2015

erwos said:
But it wasn't all AR pistols, it was just the Bushmasters. That's because the assault pistols list has "Bushmaster pistol" on it, and some idiot recently didn't understand it was referring to the Gwinn Bushmaster pistol (which is not an AR-15 pistol at all), and instead thought it meant every pistol Bushmaster ever made. (Which is why you can't buy any Bushie rifles or pistols here anymore... idiocy.)

For example, the LWRC, Engage, LMT, and Radical guns are on there, with no such warning.

The point I was making is that there were AR based handguns on the Maryland Handgun Roster before FSA'13 that had >20 round capacity, but because of the Maryland magazine law we were limited to only 20 rounds.

IDK if this made it before FSA'13 (it was approved around that same time) but there is also the Kriss Vector with a standard magazine capacity of 25 rounds.

If the 10 round limit fails, 20 rounds should be out the window too.

Jaybeez · Mar 26, 2015

erwos said:
But it wasn't all AR pistols, it was just the Bushmasters. That's because the assault pistols list has "Bushmaster pistol" on it, and some idiot recently didn't understand it was referring to the Gwinn Bushmaster pistol (which is not an AR-15 pistol at all), and instead thought it meant every pistol Bushmaster ever made. (Which is why you can't buy any Bushie rifles or pistols here anymore... idiocy.)

For example, the LWRC, Engage, LMT, and Radical guns are on there, with no such warning.

we need to do some digging and find out who is putting these overly broad interpretations in writting, and put some heat on the governor's office to fix the licensing division staff.

DYI01 · Mar 26, 2015

Would the Glock 18 33 round magazines be considered "standard capacity"?

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