what parameters define a heavy barrel

RoboRay · Aug 14, 2014

ken792 said:
So insulation foam covered M4 profile barrels?

According to MSP.

But I have no doubt that guidance would suddenly change as soon as a manufacturer did it.

stu929 · Aug 14, 2014

Sticky said:
That is the traditional definition and what defines an HBAR barrel from other barrel profiles and should be the standard that MSP applies.

Theres a lot of things msp should use as standards but since when has that prevented them from changing thier mind at a moments notice.

Id rather not be the one that gets to test this through litigation.

JDH146 · Aug 14, 2014

http://ar15barrels.com/profiles.shtml

dblas · Aug 14, 2014

stu929 said:
I have an upper from White Oak Armament that weights like 10lbs upper only barrel is big! but it doesn't say HBAR this is the reason I have concern.

General rule of thumb is .750 the entire length (or larger)

silanehead · Aug 14, 2014

JDH146 said:
http://ar15barrels.com/profiles.shtml

Damn. I purchased a "heavy" barrel that looks like the SPR on that diagram.
Guess I'll have to keep the proof of purchase for it in my range bag.

On another note, is a heavy barrel that has been fluted still a heavy barrel?

davsco · Aug 14, 2014

I'm not a Marylander (since mid 80s) and am sorrowed for the crap you have to go thru.

but my thought is, if you want to buy something, contact the MD FFL you'll be using and see if he will do the paperwork on it for you.

what's legal and not and what the MSP say is ok and not (or are silent on) is somewhat moot if your FFL won't do it due to confusion over the laws; but if he does do it, I'd certainly feel comfortable I was within the law.

Vile Shadow · Aug 14, 2014

silanehead said:
On another note, is a heavy barrel that has been fluted still a heavy barrel?

The OD would still be the same, so I would have to say it is.

stu929 · Aug 14, 2014

dblas said:
General rule of thumb is .750 the entire length (or larger)

my reason for asking questions isnt to be annoying and im well aware of what common sense says..... but..... we are in md and since when does that ever prevail?

I want to see something in writing or a something that spells it out. The vagueness and assumptions are what allow msp to waffle and create/modify law. When it comes to my freedom or someone elses I dont want to go on the assumption that msp will agree with the firearms community on a definition. Thats asking for trouble.

Boom Boom · Aug 14, 2014

Going by MSP guidance alone, a pencil barrel marked "HBAR" is GTG. Cluster eff defined.

silanehead · Aug 14, 2014

Sling Blade said:
The OD would still be the same, so I would have to say it is.

Thanks.
It was brilliant to pass a warm and fuzzy feelgood law with almost no definitions.
I have a suspicion that Frosh is gonna' have a field day once he gets the reins and starts making interpretations.

dblas · Aug 14, 2014

The quick answer would be for someone to write a proposal to COMAR and send it in. The MSP would then have 60 days to respond to it and either approve the proposal or reject it. If they reject it, that opens the MSP to lawsuit in county circuit court at which point all information leading to their decision is open to discovery.

clandestine · Aug 14, 2014

A letter needs to be written......?

dblas · Aug 14, 2014

clandestine said:
A letter needs to be written......?

I thought you already wrote one?

clandestine · Aug 14, 2014

dblas said:
I thought you already wrote one?

Not for COMAR. I don't know who to address and such.

dblas · Aug 14, 2014

clandestine said:
Not for COMAR. I don't know who to address and such.

I believe it gets addressed to the Secretary or Director of the Agency in charge, but I will check and verify that.

Pinecone · Aug 14, 2014

silanehead said:
Damn. I purchased a "heavy" barrel that looks like the SPR on that diagram.
Guess I'll have to keep the proof of purchase for it in my range bag.

On another note, is a heavy barrel that has been fluted still a heavy barrel?

Unless it has the M203 reduced section, I would say that would still qualify.

As well as the "Medium" profile in the picture.

outrider58 · Aug 14, 2014

SmokingGun said:
So who makes barrels marked with "HBAR"? I've been looking, but haven't found any.

I thought anything other than a light contour or m203 cut was an Hbar :innocent0

kgain673 · Aug 14, 2014

EL1227 said:
It's like porn, MSP will know it when they see it.

Lol so true

platoonDaddy · Aug 14, 2014

MKR03 said:
Engage has HBAR marked WOA barrels

WOA does advertise they have HBAR barrels, don't know if they are marked. Maybe that is an Engage thing.

Gunsmith in WI emailed me stating they build AR uppers using the Criterion HBAR.

Following is his reply, for sure his complete upper is cheaper than what I have been seeing in MD for just a new HBAR barrel.

They vary in cost depending on the components used. I prefer to use Midwest Industries upper receivers and free float tubes.

Average cost for a 16" upper w/ BCG is usually $875.00 and, the average cost of an 18" is only $20.00 more.

Give me a call or text and we can discuss it.

Thanks,
Tim Jensen
Legend Ironworks LLC
608-719-9262

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ShallNotInfringe · Aug 14, 2014

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